Installing Classic under Tiger.

I need to run System 9.2 under Tiger. I bought an iMac G5 on eBay which was running OS X 10.3. I bought a retail pack of OS X 10.4 (black disc) on eBay but it doesn't come with the System 9.2 stuff. How can I set it up to run Classic? I have a grey disc from my old (defunct) G5 but it won't install on my new (old!) machine.

You said you have been running this on an older machine, so you must have had a Classic environment on the old machine. So you must have had a "System Folder" on that machine in order to run the OS 9 version of HyperCard, right?
From the emergency backup drive that you must have made of the old machine at some point in the past 7 or 8 years, copy the "System Folder" from that to your new machine, and under System Preferences for Classic select the newly copied System Folder. If the old machine has "given up the ghost" and won't run anymore, you may be able to remove the old hard drive, if that still works, and copy the System Folder from there using an enclosure or bare-drive cable adapter to an external port FW/USB on the new machine.
The problem with running on a late model G4 or G5 that can not boot OS 9 itself, is that you can not boot and run any OS 9 installer on that machine. Some of the computer models in that transition period that shipped with Classic pre-installed also came with /Applications/Utilities/Software Restore OS X application on the original OS DVD that would re-install the OS 9 software from the original media DVDs/CDs (at least that's how my G4 MDD worked). Retail versions of OS X do not include the Classic environment or this software restore .app. I don't know if the G5 iMacs shipped with a Classic environment, I'm not familiar with them, do you know how you got it on there in the first place? Was it pre-installed?

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Installing Classic on Tiger

I'm trying to install the Classic environment v9.1 I downloaded form Apple's site, but i'm getting this error:
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I have never installed this before, so this is all new to me. So how do I go about doing so? Thanks

Did you get the original install discs along with it? One of them has what you need. From that computer's manual:
Installing Classic Support and Other Applications
Use the “Additional Software & Apple Hardware Test” to install Classic support and additional applications that were not included on Mac OS X install disc 1. Install Classic support if you want to use Mac OS 9 applications with your computer.
Follow these steps to install Classic support or the additional bundled applications:
1 Back up your essential files, if possible.
2 Insert the “Additional Software & Apple Hardware Test” disc that came with your computer.
3 Double-click “Install Extra Software.”
4 Follow the onscreen instructions.
5 After selecting the destination disk for installation, continue following the onscreen instructions for a basic installation or click “Customize” to choose the applications you want to install.
The original OS was Panther, but I suspect you could still use the "Install Extra Software" package even though the computer has now been upgraded to Tiger. If not, you could probably use Pacifist to extract the OS 9 System Folder from it.
If you don't have the original install discs you might still be able to get a replacement set from Apple.

Installing Classic In Tiger

Hi...
I have just installed classic in 10.4.7 so I can play a game i recently aquired.
When trying to start up classic via system preferences I get the error messeage
Classic Startup failed to start due to an error [-1].
Anybody know ho to fix this?
Thanks
Lee

I had to do an archive install of OS X. I have previously gotten rid of the classic from my system and may have removed files I shouldnt have

Reinstalling Classic under Tiger

Hello,
My Power Mac G5 (July 2003 brand) came with Jaguar installed on it and with a "grey" DVD, labeled "Software Install and Restore (includes Apple Hardware Tests)" (I'm translating from French, so the actual English title might be different).
Then, I upgraded to Panther and later to Tiger, (doing archive and install installations).
Now, in order to tidy things up a little, I've done a clean install of Tiger on a separate disk, and I'd like to do a clean install of Classic as well.
THIS topic at Apple support says that I should insert the "Additional Software & Apple Hardware Test" disc that came with my computer, double-click "Install Additional Software, and follow the onscreen instructions.
That’s what I've done with the "gray" DVD I mentioned above: a utility called "Software restoration" (again, as translated from French) has been installed and has been automatically launched, asking me to insert again that grey DVD -it even displayed a picture of the DVD label. However, it looks like the DVD was not recognized as the right one, so nothing happened and the only button displayed was "Quit". I've repeated the same steps several times with no success.
I’m sure doing something wrong, but what ?
Thanks for any help

Thanks to both of you.
BDAqua was perfectly right:
I ran again Software Restore, but this time under Panther instead of Tiger, and O Miracolo the DVD was accepted and all the restoring options displayed neatly aligned, as well as the Continue button.
Actually, Software Restore looks like it is not compatible with Tiger. Note also that the grey DVD in question was shipped with Jaguar (and has Jaguar on it), not Panther.
Anyway, I'm going to upgrade to Leopard, but I'll keep Tiger at hand for Classic. Since I'm also going to abandon Panther -RIP , I won't be able to run Software Restore anymore. So, I'll follow BDAqua advice by saving a fresh, clean copy of Classic that I could copy back to my Tiger partition in case I need to reinstall it.

Installing OS9 on Tiger 4.4

I m using a 2.0 G5 2.5Gigs ram, Im running tiger 4.4 I am trying to run after effects 5.0 I need classic to run it, I have a classic 9.21 CD but I am having problems installing it. It keeps hanging up half way through the process anyone have the same problem and is their a fix for this? (meaning a way to install classic on tiger)
G5 Mac OS X (10.3.9)
G5 Mac OS X (10.3.9)

Hi, chrisa85 -
You will not be able to use the OS 9.2.1 Install CD. The installer on all OS 9 Install CDs runs only when the machine is booted to OS 9; since your machine is not OS 9 bootable, that can't be done.
However, the disks that came with your machine have the ability to install Classic (OS 9.2.2). One or more of the following Apple KBase articles (depending on what version of OSX came with your machine) may help in doing that -
Article #42929 - Using Restore Discs with Mac OS X 10.2 or later
Article #151871 - Mac OS X 10.3: Installing Classic
Article #301408 - Using Restore discs with computers that ship w/ OSX 10.3.7 or later
Article #86775 - Install Mac OS 9 to Use Classic Applications

Installing Classic Mode on Tiger, DVDs, emulators

I want to install classic mode on a Mac running OS 10.4 (Power PC processor). We have DVDs for three different kinds of Mac of the same generation, but none of them come with the extra tools CD/DVD that is mentioned in Apple's instructions and in other posts as containing OS 9. The install DVDs are the Swiss (German) version. Is the third DVD only in the US version?
We have 9.0 CDs for two Power Mac G4s, plus one G4 computer that's broken, and one that's alive and well, running 9.2. Is there a way I could lift the system folder from this computer, copy it onto the hard disk on the 10.4 computer, and "bless" it, or is more required than the system fold for classic mode to run under Tiger? I'm wondering whether it's possible to install an emulator like Sheepshaver, since I could start with 9.0 and upgrade that to 9.2, and then transfer the necessary files (system folder plus ...?) to use the built-in classic environment.
Any help would be much appreciated.

You don't say exactly what computers are involved which places us at a disadvantage in helping you.
If you have a copy of OS 9.1 or greater on a computer you can simply copy the whole System Folder to a PPC running Tiger and set it up to be Classic. Put it at the root level next to OSX's "System". If you actually want to boot to OS9, that's where knowing the details of the computers and operating systems involved is essential.
Technically, system installations can be machine specific, but I think for OS9, and especially when used as Classic, this isn't as much an issue. Classic isn't in charge of any hardware anyway. Some people may post saying, "Oh, it absolutely must be installed correctly," but frankly I have copied OS9.2.2 from computer to computer as I worked my way through models and had it work on any model that supports OS9, and that was for booting.
If all you have are installer versions of OS9 on optical that is where you may run into trouble and may ultimately end up needing copies of the original discs (which likely are no longer available). You will have to get the computer to boot to the installer disc in order to get it to actually put a usuable copy of OS9 on the computer. Again, this is where knowing the exact disc versions and exact computer specifications is important.
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Installing classic illustrator and photoshop to Mac os Tiger

How can I install classic illustrator and photoshop applications to Mac os Tiger
Mac OS X (10.4)

Illustrator 10 and Photoshop 7 were the first OSX version, the next version of each they called CS (for Creative Suite, they were really pushing buy the Suite of 4 or 5 Adobe programs which cost big bucks) and the latest versions are CS2. I've heard of many having problems with CS2 so I haven't upgraded. Both Illustrator CS and Photoshop CS work well in Tiger.
But!!... on an Intel Mac programs need to be Universal versions, specifically designed to run on Intel Macs, older version can run but will open in to an emulation mode, Rosetta, that runs much slower, you will be running at least 50% slower than on a G5. But it's not like Classic, you won't even know when Rosetta is running.
And, apparently there are problems converting Illustrator and Photoshop to Universal and it's going to take a while. The rumor is that CS2 will not be updated, you'll have to wait for CS3 and there is no planned release date for that yet.
On the other hand, I read a recent article that said if you install Windows XP on an Intel Mac (Apple has a free program called Boot Camp that will do this but you need to buy XP), then the XP version of Photoshop will run really fast, faster than most boxes running XP. Oooo, the irony!
Anyway, there is a program that allows you to run a Classic emulation on the Intel Macs but I can't find my bookmark on it so you'll have to do a web search (or someone can post it).
I'm assuming you already have the Classic versions. You'd probably be better off getting the Classic emulation and running those until Adobe upgrades to Universal software. Kind of a waste to spend the bucks on brand new versions of Illustrator and Photoshop now when the versions you need are probably a year away.

Classic stutters under Tiger

When typing in Dreamweaver 1 etc, running under Classic I frequently get multiple letters typed in the document - llllllike tttthisss!
Any one know why?
Cheers.
David

Thanks. I had not noticed that before - I suppose because I have had no problems under Tiger.
Certainly sounds like the solution.
Cheers.
David

I have a G5 imac with Tiger 10.4.11. Can I install Classic OS9?

I have a G5 imac with Tiger 10.4.11. Can I install Classic OS9?

You can't install an OS that is earlier than the one that originally came with your Mac.

Problem installing Classic Support on Tiger

I'm trying to install Classic support on my iBook. The install appears to complete. It says it did anyway.
When I double click on a classic app I get this error:
"The Operation could not be completed.
An unexpected error occurred (error code -1)."
There also seems to be no preference panel for Classic like there should be.
I'm thinking that the install actually did not complete but I can't figure out why.
I saw this in the install.log file when I tried installing it but I don't know if it is relevent:
"Package Authoring Error: Infinite loop between <choice> attributes and mixed state aborted."
I tried repairing permissions but it didn't appear to do anything.
Anyone have any ideas?
14" iBook G4 (mid 2005) Mac OS X (10.4.5)

I'm using the "Install Mac OS 9 System Support" symlink on the cd that came with the ibook.

Is There a Way to Retro-istall Classic onto Tiger?

On installing Tiger onto an empty hard drive, I did not install Jaguar first and then do an archive and install. So I do not have Classic installed next to Tiger. I had mistakenly assumed it came with Tiger, like it did with Jaguar.
But I want to have use of Classic.
1) Is there a way to install Classic only without disrupting Tiger?
2) Could I drag/copy files from a hard drive on which I did do an archive and install and still have Classic and have it work?
It took a long time to install Tiger with all the applications, including having to call Adobe for their phone-tree navigating, time consuming, re-authorizing of CS2 (I love Adobe products other than that). And I don't have time to reinstall everything again just to have Classic. But I want use of some of my older programs.
Is there a way?
Thanks.
G4 Dual 1.25s Mac OS X (10.4.6)

Hello,
Good heavens, I would love to reward points every respondent
It would be nice to be able to do that.
Under the original format of the Discussion forums, you could do that. You could give points to those who were helpful (as many as you had points for - your points allowance accumulated daily), and you could take points from those who were just being rude or obnoxious.
When they instituted the new Forum format a little while back, they did away with that.
The new system allows only the original poster of the question to award points (previously anyone who found it helpful could award points).
Further, the new system only provides for 2 "helpful" points and 1 "Answered" point per discussion.
It is a bit confining. But, that's the method they've chosen.
Many people have complained. But, so far no response has been offered. Hopefully they will find a good compromise some day.
I do appreciate your points though And, I am glad to help when I can.
I'm sure everyone else here appreciates the sentiment in your thank you
We all appreciate it when the original poster says "Thank you".
As for making improvements to the discussions, there is a place to make suggestions:
Discussion's Feedback:
http://discussions.apple.com/forum.jspa?forumID=1076
Hope this helps.
Likewise, I hope that all the suggestions here were helpful in assisting you to find a way to get your system configured the way you want it.
Be sure to let us all know (by posting) if you have other questions.
There's a lot of good people here who will try to help when they can.

OS 9 won't start under Tiger

Hi,
My Classic environment will no longer start under Tiger, although I can boot from it independently. I suspect my recent maintenance activities may be to blame. I have three internal drives, all with Tiger and one also with OS 9.2. Recently the boot disc showed signs of failing: I caught it in time, imaged the disc and replaced it. After a bit of fiddling with the remade disc I could start from it. Unfortunately I can't recall whether OS9 has ever worked since, but I think it has. I don't use it often.
I have tried booting under Tiger with extensions off and also moving and replacing the Finder so that it is 'blessed', both without success. I thought about reinstalling but I get a message saying I can't install over a newer OS.
All help gratefully received!
Andy
G4 Digital Audio 733MHz Mac OS X (10.4.9) ATA 120GB, ATA 80GB, SCSI 17GB, Airport

Problem solved: I reinstalled the printer drivers as they had also been affected by my maintenance and Classic now fires up perfectly. I can't begin to imagine why this should have had any effect, but there we are

HELP - How do you install classic without erasing OS 10.4.8

Please help....I just replaced my PowerBook G4 with a new MacBook and would like to pass the G4 down to my daughter. Most of the games that she uses are in classic from her old Imac. My G4 came with classic but I had to reinstall OSX a while ago and never put classic back in. I can't get it to boot from any OS CD that I have, please advise.
Thanks,
Dad trying to do good for his 7yr old daughter

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Hi FKTS,
The Classic files for your PowerBook G4 are on the original install DVD that came with it.
A Panther (10.3.x) install set of DVD/CDs most probably?
Anyway, insert this original install disc, and look for "Classic Support" installer, something like that.
Double-click, follow the prompts.
Classic will get installed without changing anything to the existing Tiger installation, just like it would do with the original OS (Panther or Jaguar?).
If you don't find anything like "Classic Support Something":
Some original installations came through a first step of installing an additional software installer (example my iMac G4).
- No problem: In that case, you'll have to double-click the Mac OS X installation icon first, then instead of reinstalling Mac OS X, you'll find your way to a Custom Installation of additional/bundled software.
Proceed to install Classic.
Here too, it'll get installed without modifying your OS (whether it is the original one or your newly installed Tiger).
Have fun!
Axl

How to uninstall OS 9 without deleting Classic running Tiger?

OS 9 has become unusable, but it works fine in Classic Mode. I tried doing a reinstall and doing a clean install. I thought it would remove the old OS 9 and reinstall a new version. Instead it created a preveous folder of OS 9 and reinstalled another corupted version of OS 9! How do I uninstall OS 9 without deleting Classic running Tiger? Then I want to do another fresh install of OS 9. How is this done?

Hi, basicaly tou can't.

How to install Classic without original 10.4 discs?

I just bought a used emac g4 1 ghz as a backup to my emac g4 1.25 ghz. I have 10.3.9 on my 1,25 ghz emac and when I received this used emac I discovered it had 10.4.8 installed...but no classic. I still have a couple classic programs I use, so I was wondering if there is anyway to install classic in the 10.4.8 even though I didn't get the Tiger discs with the computer. I do have the original 10.3 discs for both my 1.25 ghz emac and this 1.0 ghz emac, but is there anyway to install just classic without erasing the 10.4.8???
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andrews424, Welcome to the discussion area!
See a brody's user tip "Restoring Mac OS 9 on a bootable Mac".
It has all the directions.

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