Installing extra IDE drives

My 500mhz. dual processor G4(revision B) came with 2 40 gig IDE hard drives installed. They're piggy-back installed in the botton right side of the bottom of the G4 case with a 2-input ribbon cable that connects to the motherboard right next to it. In the future though I'd like to install another drive or two next to the others but how is this done? I see space for another caddy next to the present one but what about the ribbon and power cables? How many drives can be used and what cables are needed to make them work?

Hi
Mac compatible ATA and SATA PCI cards are available from a number of manufacturers including ACARD, FirmTek, Sonnet and SIIG. I guess the main decision is whether you choose an older style ATA card or a newer SATA (Serial ATA) card.
ATA cards include the following:
http://www.acard.com.tw/english/fb01-product.jsp?idnono=124&prod_no=AEC-6280M&type1_title=Adapters&type1idno=3
http://www.sonnettech.com/product/tempo_ata133.html
SATA cards include the following:
http://www.acard.com.tw/english/fb01-product.jsp?idnono=126&prod_no=AEC-6290M&type1_title=Adapters&type1idno=3
http://www.firmtek.com/seritek/seritek-1s2/
http://www.sonnettech.com/product/temposerialata.html
OWC seem to stock a wide variety of those available. The following links should give an idea of the costs involved:
ATA
http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/hard-drives/ATA-SCSI-Firewire-Controllers/
SATA
http://eshop.macsales.com/Search/Search.cfm?Criteria=SATAHigh-Speed+Controller+MacCards&x=0&y=0&Manufacturer=
Things to look for include whether the attached drives are bootable, whether the card supports deep sleep and whether it's plug and play or requires third party drivers.
Your 4 gig drive should work on an ATA card but not directly on a SATA card. You can buy adapters to attach ATA drives to SATA cards and vice-versa, although I'm not sure whether it would be worth it for a relatively small drive.
Edit - You'll also need to check OS compatibility, especially if you're using OS 9 or an early version of OS X.

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How many IDE drives & CDrom can be installed with SATA drives??
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->INTEGRATED PERIPHERALS
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