Installing Jaguar 10.2.3

Hello,
I am trying to install Jaguar 10.2.3 in a iMac G3, 333 mhz, which I bought used. The computer had a bigger HD installed, and was running 8.6.
When I try the install, it goes to the point where the destination disk has to be chosen. The hard disk has a red exclamation point, and it says the error is something about the destination disk not being in the first 8 GB.
I have tried reformatting, zeroed, partitions, and still not able to complete the installation. MacOS 9 installs just fine, but I need to run Jaguar.
What can I do?
Thanks.

A tray loading iMac has the same ATA controller as a beige G3, meaning that if you choose to install OS 10, the OS has to be installed on the first partition of the drive, which the partition cannot be bigger than 7.99gb. Actually, the disk utility in OS 10 uses GiB, so you will have to make the first partition 7.4GB to install OS 10 on that partition. Use the other partition on the drive for extra files and applications.
Hope this helps.

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This article is missing this info: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=25517
Also, was there just the Single 1.25 MHz version as I remember and Wikipedia reports:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerMacG4
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http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=42739
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Running panther, installing Jaguar. How do I proceed?

HI all,
this is my first post.
So, did the subject line generate a chuckle from those in-the-know?
Recently, I bought my wife a Nano, which apparently is not compatible with Panther. No problem, I thought. I'll just upgrade to Jaguar. Well, I've ordered the software. And now after reading much about this topic, I think I may be in trouble.
My machine is a Powerbook G4, so I think I'm ok so far.
BTW, I'm a bit of a novice when it comes to computers, so I may have bitten off more than I can chew.
Any comments or observations, anyone?
Thanks
Greg

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Crash when attempting to install panther and jaguar

Hello,
Few days ago I suffered a nasty crash (kernel panic I think) from using Windows Media Player 9 and a partially downloaded movie. After that the computer was unable to restart. Blue screen after showing the starting up window and nothing more. (I asked about that in this thread "what are my chances of full/partial recovery?" http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1008280&tstart=0 ).
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Hello,
Thanks for the replies/info.
Yes the Panther and Jaguar install disks are retail versions, not specific machine versions. And the Jaguar ones worked for the Powerbook before.
The Powerbook I have is the Firewire 500mhz one, Pismo I think it's called. The hard drive is a 60GB one. I didn't have to partition it before.
Reviewing all the above, it would appear that the problem is me not being able to use an internal, built in CD/DVD drive to install from this time? The only other thing it could be I think is the crash I recently had has had some bad effect -- but that's unlikely right? So, I need to get a new DVD drive? Or is there any other way to get the OS onto the Powerbook without getting another internal DVD/CD drive? Is there anyway to install onto the PB from another machine maybe?
Does that sound right?: not being able to use internal DVD/CD drive is the source of my current problem?
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"...install the Jaguar cd from Classic-9.2.2..."
So you were booted into OS 9.2.2, not running Classic through OS X, right?
Running Classic, is different than starting up in OS 9.2.2.
"...updatint the firmware."
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"...using to upgrade to Panther the Install Cd,"
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http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=86117
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Looks serious. possible hardware problem. unable to install any OS.

Hi,
Powerbook was working absolutely fine. Stupidly, I attempted to watch a partially (97%) downloaded (with Bittorrent) movie (.wmv -- WM3) in Windows Media Player 9 in full screen mode. Half way through the movie freezes. I try and get out of full screen, nothing changes -- the whole machine is frozen. I restart. During boot there's a serious error -- kernel panic I think -- telling you to restart machine in various languages including Japanese. Restart. Freezes during start up window progress bar. Restart. Freeze.
I start up from the Jaguar disk 1 start up disk, go into Disk Utilties, repair disk -- errors found, and fixed apparently. Restart. Freeze.
I start up from DiskWarrior 4 start up disk and start it on the drive. Step 6: "Overlapped files detected" with a number after, and it starts taking ages. I left DW working for nearly two days until it seemed to have frozen (still on step 6).
I connect the sick PB to an iMac via firewire and start up the PB in disk target mode, the PB's drive appears on the desktop of the iMac and I'm able to easily with no problems copy off all my personal files. At that point I thought all was saved -- I was out of hot water, no further real problems. All I had to do is wipe the drive and reinstall etc.
I reformatted the drive from the iMac choosing to zero aswell. The PB's drive appears on the desktop empty and looking fine.
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I start up the PB using Jaguar retail install disk one, choose Disk Utilties -- fine. I reformat the drive, this time not bothering with zeroing. Fine. Go through to install Jaguar. Again it checks the install disk fine, then immediately after, kernel panic.
I tried partitioning the drive into two using Disk Utilties on Jaguar start up disk. My thinking was, maybe the start of the drive is damaged. Then tried to install onto partition two: panic. Just to check, tried to install to partition one: panic.
It's a 60GB drive. I installed Jaguar onto it ages ago successfully. The only difference was when doing it ages ago is I used the PB's internal CD/DVD drive. That had since broken and I've been using an external firewire CD/DVD drive -- all the above various Jaguar / Panther attempts were from the external drive. I just received a 2nd hand internal CD/DVD drive I bought on eBay -- I was blindly/stupidly hoping that using an internal CD drive would solve my problem but it hasn't.
What's the problem? It seems as if the initial Windows Movie Player crash has caused this, but that can't be can it? That was a software crash and I've since reformated the drive. There shouldn't be any remnants of that in anyway. So it's a hardware problem? But it was working fine before the crash and nothing has happened to the PB between the crash and now. But there's no two ways about it -- right now the PB seems terminally broken.
Any suggestions how to get my PB working again?
TIA,
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It's intalled. So it turns out I was lying when I said "The only difference was when doing it ages ago is I used the PB's internal CD/DVD drive." -- I forgot to mention there was no AirPort card in the PB when I installed Jag ages ago.
Also a small note: it seems an internal CD drive was necessary in the end. When the Panther install restarted and requested disk 2 I couldn't get it to recognize disk 2 from the external drive -- had to use the internal one to continue (although I didn't spend too much time/effort trying to get the external one to work but on the face of it it didn't seem to). (Although I can imagine there may be a way of installing stuff from disk 2 after having customized the install to not require anything from disk 2 for the first main automated install possibly? I may sell the internal CD/DVD drive if so as otherwise it was a waste of money).
Having installed Panther I put the AirPort card and the 2nd memory back in and started up -- all's apparently OK, but of course there's good reason not to be convinced of that. I didn't customize the Panther install as I wanted (because I didn't expect it to work). Not sure if I dare try wiping and reinstalling.
Obviously I'd feel happier knowing what the problem was/is. Looks like the AirPort card had something to do with it. But even when that was out the PB couldn't start from OS9. When formatting the drive (from OS X installer software) I'm sure I had the OS9 check box ticked. Even if I hadn't it wouldn't stop the OS9 CD working would it?; the hard drive just wouldn't appear once started up from the OS9 CD.
So I now have Panther up and running with both bits of memory in and the AirPort card in. I haven't messed around with/in Panther at all yet but on the face of it it seems fine.
Any ideas what the problem was/is? Any suggestions how to find out? Should I just ignore it and forget it ever happened (and cross my fingers and hope I never need to mess around with OS installs again)? Would be nice to know what's going on though. For a start it looks like if ever I want to install OS9 on it I won't be able to -- which actually may be something I want to do in the future possibly.
Thanks.

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Read these and see if it helps,
Here is some great links for helping you install OSX and to have more then one OS at a time on a hard drive.(thanks F.J.)
F.J. - Installing Jaguar
F.J. - installing Panther (Mac OS X v. 10.3)
F.J. - Partitioning your hard drive (for having more then one OS)
Terry Holder -

Archive and install issue

I have a friend that ran an "archive and install" on a G5 running 10.3 but they used the 10.2 disk. Now certain applications will not work and they receive an error when trying to upgrade to 10.3.
Is there any way to reverse this to fix it? Or are they stuck with the only option of reloading the G5 with a fresh install of 10.3?

Erik:
Unfortunately, you do not tell us very much about the G5 computer to which you refer. Please update your profile to tell exactly what computer we are talking about, giving other specifics about the computer.
If the G5 in question shipped with Jaguar (10.2x) re-installing Jaguar should work. The article Don't install older versions of Mac OS than what comes with your computer gives more information on this.
they receive an error when trying to upgrade to 10.3.
To install Panther your computer will need to meet the minimum system requirements for Panther.
You will need to purchase the Full Retail version of Panther. Please note that Computer specific or upgrade versions should be avoided since they are optimized for the computer to which they are specific and will therefore, very likely, cause problems during or after installation. On the legal side, it may be a violation of the Software License Agreement which statesThis License allows you to install and use one copy of the Apple Software on a single computer at a time. This License does not allow the Apple Software to exist on more than one computer at a time...You can purchase universal installer Panther disks, guaranteed to install, from applerescue.
Please do not hesitate to post back with further questions or comments.
Good luck.
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