Installing Leopard on second HD

I have Mountain Lion running on my Bay 1 HD. This is a 2009 Mac Pro. I will install Leopard on a second HD in another Bay. My question is do I make the second HD Journaled or not?

Thank you but I took the cowards way out and used Bay 1 because the Mac seemed to insist that I re-install Mountail Lion. This way, with the Leopard startup disc in the DVD drive the "choice" was denied the computer.
(installing as I make this response).

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  • Install Panther on second hard drive (Leopard on first)?

    My G4 desktop has two internal hard drives. I work on the first and use the second only for storage. I recently installed Leopard on the first drive, and all went well. After that installation, I decided to install Panther (10.3.9) on the second drive, using the original install disks. Could't do it; my machine wouldn't boot up from the installation disk.
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    Still can't get my G4 to recognize the original install Panther disks when I insert them into my CD drive and restart holding down the "C" key. I want to install Panther on my second internal hard drive; Leopard is installed on the main internal drive.
    I have tried the following:
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    2) Plugged power, keyboard, and monitor back in
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    6) Plugged power, keyboard, monitor back in
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    8) Restarted and held down Option key. Chose "CD" when given that option. Still could not get CD to recognize the CD. (Screen was pale gray with darker gray Apple logo; stopped there.)
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  • Installing Leopard using my second monitor?

    I'm trying to help my mother install leopard. I got her a Powerbook a while back, but in the interim her cat knocked her computer off the table and screwed up monitor (thankfully that was all!). It was too much for us to get it repaired, so I bought her a monitor keyboard and mouse to use, so now she basically has a "messy" desktop computer. (I cringe, but she loves it..).
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  • Install leopard on a FW hard drive as a second boot drive?

    I have one my 8 core on snow leopard and there are some apps that wont work. I want to be able to use a few of these apps on my MBP. I haven't gone up to SN yet on the MBP. I want to know if I can partition an external 2.5 inch HD. Install Leopard and a few apps and boot off that partition when I need to run the apps. This will be a bus powered FW 400 or 800 enclosure.

    once you restart from the leopard DVD just follow the instructions and the installer will give you a choice of where to install leopard. it's quite linear and you can't miss it.
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  • Install Leopard question, and How much RAM should I install on my G5?

    I recently bought a G5 Power Mac (11,2) 2.3 ghz, with 2 GB Ram. It has 10.4 installed and the installation disks for 10.4.
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    Hi maui_arbor, and a warm welcome to the forums!
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    Secondly, I'd really not partition for OSX unless it's a GB HD or larger, I'd put a second HD in it for Leopard.
    Also, the G5 has no airport card installed. Can I set up sharing with my powerbook, via firewire, in a way that I can use the powerbook's wifi signal on the G5? Is this possible with 10.4, 10.5, or both?
    Yes, Internet Sharing via FW or Ethernet. Another option...
    http://eshop.macsales.com/search/usb+wifi

  • Unable to install Leopard onto my iMac G5

    This is my first post here so please be patient with me if I do not do a good job explaining my problem.....here we go.
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    I received my external DVD drive and tried to install Leopard. No success. I get the same error. It appears to fail about the same time. It spends some time doing work before it calculated the estimated install time. Just after it calculated an install time (about 3 hours) that is when I get installation failed error. To me, it would eliminate the internal optical drive.
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  • Can I install Leopard on an external drive to run my computer?

    Since it seems my hard drive has totally bit the dust, can I install Leopard on the external drive I use for Time Machine, and run my desktop from that drive? Could I run it from an external drive totally dedicated to Leopard? I am buying a new desktop soon, but I need info off of this machine. Can I plug in my Time Machine drive to my laptop and be able to use it without losing data?

    Elizabeth Salcido wrote:
    Thanks so much.
    Youa re welcome!
    I figured I would have to use a second drive. At least when I get my new desktop I will have a drive for Time Machine for both desktop and laptop.
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  • Install Leopard on an External Drive on a Snow Leopard Mac Book Pro

    Hi
    I have a MBP 17/CTO 2.66GHz i7, which came installed with Snow Leopard.
    I've used boot camp to install Windows 7.
    I've attempted to install Leopard 10.5.4 on an external drive.
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    1 - Connected my WD Passport on the Firewire Port
    2 - Partitioned the drive. The first partition is 100GB, Mac OS/X Extended (journal) and I've selected the GUID Partition Scheme
    3 - Inserted the Mac OS/X Leopard DVD, and followed the instructions to restart
    4 - On restart I have three options. Mac OS, Windows and Install Mac OS\X
    5 - I select Install Mac OS\X.
    6 - The disc spins for a few moments and then the laptop freezes
    Beware of the following issue:
    1 - On restart more often than not, the DISC will spin and then the laptop will freeze.
    2 - To overcome this, restarting pressing the ALT (option) Key.
    3 - You should see your boot options. If you do not see "Install Mac OS\X", then eject and reinsert the disc.
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    I mentioned this to the Apple Store before I purchased my machine. They put me through to a senior technician at Apple Care, who told me it would be possible to have the set up I am after; and to contact Apple Care if I ran into any difficulties.
    After I received my laptop and ran into the problems I described above I contacted Apple Care, only to be told by a senior technician that it should be possible to install Leopard on an external drive, but Apple Care cannot provide any support or assistance.
    I really do like the laptop and would much rather not return the laptop; but I really do need the setup described.
    Anyway I have tried a number of different approaches:
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    2 - Trying all three Partition Schemes:
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    - Apple Partition Map
    - Master Boot Record
    All resulting in the same problem.
    I can confirm the external drive does appear as bootable in disc info.
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    1 - It is simply not possible to install an earlier version of Mac OS\X than 10.6 on the laptop I have, even if I tried to install on an external drive. This restriction is built into some hardware confirguration. So even if I wiped the internal hard drive or added a new partition to the internal hard drive, I would not be able to install 10.5.4. I say this may be a reason as the second technician told me the CPU has built into it a process which prevents installing older versions of Mac OS/X, but that it should NOT restrict installation on an external harddrive.
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    Parmy

    The mystery continues...
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    However; on the final restart, the screen remained grey and 10.5.4 did not boot from the external drive.
    I restarted the machine holding down the ALT (option) key, and only two options appeared, Macintosh HD and the Install DVD. I selected the Macintosh HD and opened System Preferences.
    In System Preferences --> Startup Disk, I discovered the partition on my external HD which contains 10.5.4. I selected this partition and selected restart.
    On restart my MBP displayed a grey screen, and the blue light on my hard drive flashed slowly. I left this for an hour, however; the OS did not start and the screen remained grey.
    I then plugged my external HD into my new MBP which I started holding down the ALT key.
    To my surprise I found 3 boot options (Macintosh HD, Windows and Leopard). Leopard being the partition on my external drive, which now has 10.5.4 installed.
    I selected Leopard, but sadly after 30 minutes, the OS failed to boot.
    Although this deviates slightly from this post, I fail to understand the problem here:
    1 – Why can’t I boot 10.5.4 on an external drive, from my old MBP? Surely this is not because my old MBP is now running 10.5.7?
    2 – Why can I see 10.5.4 as a boot option on my new MBP but not on my old MBP when I start the MBP holding down the ALT key?
    I doubt there is a problem with my external drive, as it seems to read, write, etc... in all normal cases.
    Whilst it definitely appears that I won’t be able to boot 10.5.4 on an external drive from my new MBP, I should be able to at least boot it from my old MBP, which would give me the option of installing Snow Leopard and Windows on the internal drive of my old MBP.
    Apologies for keeping this post going, but I hope by getting to the bottom of this, it will help other Mac users as well.
    I’ve run out of ideas of things to try, so I will give Apple Care another call in the morning, and will report back.
    Any suggestions of other things I can try?
    Cheers

  • Trying to install Leopard on a fresh hard drive

    UGGGH.... Mindbending problem here.
    I've got a two year old Macbook. It was acting very strange (total reinstall of Leopard resulted in some random old programs showing up in new OS), and for a variety of reasons Apple told me aI needed a new hard drive. Since it was out of warranty I bought one myself and installed it.
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    What's worse, I have a spare Leopard DVD install disc from when I originally upgraded from Tiger without a problem last year. I put it in the Macbook's DVD drive, hold down C, and it won't boot from it. It just reads the disc, sits there for a second, and ejects the disc. EVERY TIME.
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    What the **** is going on with this thing?

    you can't use an install disk that came with a different computer. It's hardware specific and it won't work as you've found out. It's also against ULA. You need to use a retail version of leopard DVD. it sounds like the one you've used before is defective. just in case try cleaning the old leopard disk and using it again. also, try cleaning your DVD drive. you can get a DVD cleaner (it's a disk with brushes at the bottom). if all of this fails get a new leopard install DVD.
    P.S.since you have access to another macbook, try booting it from your old leopard DVD. If it boots, boot your macbook in target mode, connect it to the other one and install leopard from there.
    Message was edited by: V.K.

  • Why Mac Help doesn't work after installing Leopard?

    After installing Leopard Mac Help shows a untitled window and after few seconds it disappear.

    Actually no. I'm working on the same environment before installing Leopard. No firewall...but I'm working from China where a massive Great Firewall is controlled by the government. That case I shouldn't be the only one.
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  • Finder not working after installing Leopard!!!

    Hi everyone.
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    anamorphis wrote:
    Hi everyone.
    I'm getting a strange Finder behavior on my Intel iMac (not the newest version) after installing Leopard. The thing is, after instalation, when I start the computer, the top bar on the screen starts blinking, and there's no way to open a Finder window. And it stays like that forever! I tried to open Finder from the Dock, but the blue dot of the active programs blinks 3 or 4 times and then disapears. Plus, the only way to access the Apple logo on the corner to switch the computer off or restart it, is by opening one other program from the dock (in this case I have Safari running), because this way the top bar stops blinking.
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    Do NOT install any updates until you resolve the problem, which is unrelated to any updates. Updating a computer that is not working correctly will only make the problems worse, never better.
    If this is the second install, was it on an erased HD or did you import your previous programs, etc?
    It sounds like you might have some errant 3rd party software running.
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    Check your startup program window and remove everything there. Write them down so you can put them back later.

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  • Can't get past setup assistant after installing leopard...

    i am having trouble getting past the setup assistant after installing leopard on my other computer which is a 1.25 ghz G4 desktop. Everything seems to be going fine then the setup assistant comes up and i go through the exercise of filling it out and at the end it says click on done and then you can use the computer. unfortunately it goes right back into the setup assistant like i had never gone there before. it is in some kind of loop. would it be wise to reinstall leopard? if so, does it know that it was installed already and rewrite over the first install? or is there something else i may try. i tried resetting the PRAM and some other things recommended but nothing seems to work. any help will be appreciated.
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    mr_magicman,
    I can imagine how frustrating this must be for you. It sounds like you went for the (default) Upgrade option.
    Okay, how about trying this:
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    Finally, to be fair to you, I must tell you that there's a more suitable Forum for your particular kind of problem, viz., *Installation and Setup* (http://discussions.apple.com/forum.jspa?forumID=1219) I recommend you check out the questions/answers in that Forum in case your question has already been asked and answered.
    PS. If you do re-post your question in that Forum, don't forget to mention whether or not you internal hard disk has been backed up.
    GOOD LUCK!
    Bill

  • New Macbook Pro + Tiger Pre installed Leopard Connectivity Problems!!!

    hey guys... well let me try for the 2nd time to post this before it loses connection and crashes!!!!
    on Friday i brought a new Macbook Pro 2.2ghz, for the last year i have been using a MAcbook 1.8ghz Core 2 Duo... worked flawless and loved it... but with Leopard out, i decided to take the plunge and move up to the next level and have something with better graphics and more features... so it seemed!
    i erased the hdd and installed Leopard, which i had purchased for my Macbook, but decided to hold till i got this...
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    i'm really annoyed as it seems from wanting to go to a better laptop ive only gone and brought defective hardware which i dont understand why Apple didn't test this prior to release
    FIX IT quick please, i feel like taking this thing back... what use is it if i cant browse the internet which is a basic function on any laptop now a days yet vital it works!
    maybe reinstalling Tiger is the only option left, there goes a weekend of installing programs/games/updates!!!!! annoyed

    cheers for reply dude
    will see how this gets on, also changed the channel to 6, see how that gets on..
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    683 kbps down (~0.68 Mbps, 83 KB/s) ↓
    31 kbps up (~0.03 Mbps, 4 KB/s) ↑
    pinging my router is
    PING 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1): 56 data bytes
    64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=0 ttl=255 time=1.047 ms
    64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=255 time=1.097 ms
    64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=2 ttl=255 time=1.216 ms
    64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=6 ttl=255 time=1.114 ms
    64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=8 ttl=255 time=1.321 ms
    64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=9 ttl=255 time=1.330 ms
    64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=10 ttl=255 time=1.159 ms
    64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=11 ttl=255 time=1.189 ms
    64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=12 ttl=255 time=1.408 ms
    64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=14 ttl=255 time=7.296 ms
    64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=16 ttl=255 time=1.117 ms
    64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=17 ttl=255 time=1.167 ms
    64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=18 ttl=255 time=1.175 ms
    64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=20 ttl=255 time=1.462 ms
    64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=22 ttl=255 time=1.126 ms
    64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=25 ttl=255 time=1.126 ms
    seems ok?
    Although RWIN TCP/IP analyzer seems to point out problems...
    MTU = 1442
    MTU is not fully optimized for broadband. Consider increasing your MTU to 1500 for better throughput. If you are using a router, it could be limiting your MTU regardless of Registry settings.
    MSS = 1402
    MSS is not optimized for broadband. Consider increasing your MTU value.
    Default TCP Receive Window (RWIN) = 65330
    RWIN Scaling (RFC1323) = 0 bits
    Unscaled TCP Receive Window = 65330
    For optimum performance, consider changing RWIN to a multiple of MSS.
    Other RWIN values that might work well with your current MTU/MSS:
    515936 (MSS x 46 * scale factor of 8)
    257968 (MSS x 46 * scale factor of 4)
    128984 (MSS x 46 * scale factor of 2)
    64492 (MSS x 46)
    Your TCP Window limits you to: 2613 kbps (327 KBytes/s) @ 200ms
    Your TCP Window limits you to: 1045 kbps (131 KBytes/s) @ 500ms
    MTU Discovery (RFC1191) = ON
    Time to live left = 45 hops
    TTL value is ok.
    Timestamps (RFC1323) = ON
    Note: Timestamps add 12 bytes to the TCP header of each packet, reducing the space available for useful data.

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