Installing Panther on Grape iMac 333

Hi
A friend bought a cheap 333 iMac and I'm trying to install Panther on it.
After much effort and upgrading the firmware I finally managed to upgrade it to 9.1.
I load the Panther disk and click the install. It tells me to restart to I click the restart button only for it to load back into OS 9.1 again.
I've tried holding C when starting to boot from the CD but it's not having that either.
The machine only has 64MB RAM so I'm not expecting it to be fast but it should at least instal or give me some feedback surely?
Help appreciated.

Roger Holden...
64MB will not run Panther, period. You need at least 128MB to boot.
...Ron

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