Installing Panther or Tiger on a G4 450 mhz cube

I have hung on to using OS 9.2.2 on my Cube, and although I have OS 10.1 installed I have never really found it useful. Now though, I am having problems with the browsers I can use with OS 9 on internet scearches ( I mostly use the wamcom version of mozilla now, and I-Cab sometimes). The only way I can see to solve the problem is to install 10.3x or 10.4x and then I can use the safari browser.
Panther and Tiger are both still available if I do a google search. Some versions might be knock-offs and I don't want to waste money if they won't work. Then I worry if I buy a used copy if I will run into pass-word problems. What is my safest way to proceed, and which version should I get.

I think you misunderstood the rep. Tiger can definitely do Classic to run Mac OS 9 programs. I think he meant that the Tiger package does not include a Mac OS 9 installer. As long as you already have Mac OS 9.2.2 installed, you can boot from it and use it for Classic.
384mb is enough. More is better.
This is a list from OWC.
http://eshop.macsales.com/MyOWC/Upgrades.cfm?model=128
You don't have to buy from OWC, but those are the specs. Get the largest one you can afford to add to what you have. Hopefully, you still have a slot open.
I'd get Tiger instead of Panther. Software availability is why you are upgrading from Mac OS 9. If you get Panther, you can't even run the latest version of Safari. There are good browser alternatives, but going forward, more and more software will require Tiger or later.

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Erased harddrive with Disk 1 of Tiger but can't eject disk to install Panth

I have a iMac G5 PowerPC 8,2. I am prepping the computer to be used in my research laboratories by others. As described here, I have erased my hard drive. I put in Disk I of the install disk that came with the computer (Tiger) and used Disk Utility and did a 7 pass erase which took all of 5 hours. Now the screen is prompting me to Install. However, I would like to use my Panther disks to Install Panther rather than Tiger, but I can't quite figure out how to eject the Tiger disk, and put the Panther disk in, particularly without absolutely confusing the computer about which disk is supposed to be booting from. So, do I need to install Tiger first and then install Panther?
HELP is most welcomed.
Thanks,
M

molecularpenguin, welcome to Apple Discussions.
You have to install Tiger. You can't install an OS older than the OS that came on the Mac.
To open the disc drive, depress/hold your mouse on startup.
 Cheers, Tom

Installing Panther on G4 iBook which came with Tiger

Anyone help? I want to install Panther on G4 iBook which came with Tiger installed. I've used my iMac Panther disks to install, but although the iBook goes all through the installation process, it won't start up from Panther.

Lyssa
Thanks for your reply. I suspected this might be the case but still hope there might be a way round it.
I want Panther on the iBook first because I prefer it to Tiger. Tiger has some annoying little features - for example, the fact that if you select a whole load of files and Get Info on them you get a separate window for each file - if you want to hide the extensions you have to tick the box in each separate window. In Panther you get a single window applying to all the files - neat! There are various other silly little things like this.
Second, the versions of Mail in Panther and Tiger are incompatible. If I save an email on the iBook (while away from home, for example) and want to transfer it to one of the mailboxes on my (Panther) iMac, I have to go through the following laborious process:
1. Save the email on the iBook in Raw Message format. Copy it to the iMac (via a mobile hard drive).
2. Create a temporary mailbox folder in Mail on the iMac. Close Mail.
3. Go to Users ... Library/Mail/Mailboxes. Change the extension of the temporary folder from mbox to txt.
4. Open it (it now opens as an ordinary folder).
5. Copy the text of the email into the document called mbox.
6. Close the folder, change its extension back to mbox.
7. Open Mail again, move the email from the temporary folder into the folder where it belongs.
8. Delete the temporary folder.
Ridiculous or what?

Printer doesn't work after Panther to Tiger upgrade

After upgrading from Panther to Tiger my usb connected Canon PIXMA iP5000 printer no longer works. In printer setup utility when I click "add" I see the ip5000 but the "Print Using" dialog box says "please select a driver or printer model". In the drop down list under Canon there is no driver listed that corresponds to my iP5000 (also, only gimp-print drivers are listed for some reason).
I reinstalled the printer software from the disk that came with the printer but still nothing relevant appears in the list under Canon. I installed a newer OSX driver from the Canon website but still nothing relevant (and still only the gimp-print drivers in the list under Canon).
Using the finder search function I located a file called ip5000.ppd on the hard drive. I selected this file in the "Print Using" dialog box and was then able to add the printer. When I try to print though nothing comes out of the printer.
I installed a driver from www.printfab.com for the iP5000. This works fine but apparently I have to buy a license for $61 to use the software?
Can anyone out there tell me what's going on? Why is the driver from the Canon web site not showing up under the Canon tab in the printer setup utility? Any idea where it is or what file extension it should have so I can search for it?
Thanks,
Stickman007
imac G5 PowerPC Mac OS X (10.4.8)

In step 3, I moved the contents of the BJPrinters
folder to the desktop instead of deleting them
(deleting is so final).
We need to delete and empty the trash. It seems that for some setups, leaving the files on the system (including the trash) interferes with the new driver installation/operation.
In step 4, the only file that seemed close to what
you mentioned was CanonPrinterDrivers.pkg. I moved
it to the desktop also.
This is the original package included with the OS for the Canon BJ drivers we are deleting. In case you ever need to add an old Canon driver then it would be best to put this file back. But it is odd that there is no other Canon package. I expected there to be one for the iP5000 that you installed.
The result was the same as before - when I try to add
the printer the "Print Using" menu still shows a
greyed out "please select a driver of printer model".
The Canon folder still shows the same gimp-print
options, none of which are related to the iP5000.
Yes. The iP5000 won't appear in the list as it hasn't been written to do so. As I said before, the driver, upon detection of the printer, adds the printer to the list. You cannot browse to it.
Let me know if you have any other ideas (or if I need
to delete the files rather than just move them to the
desktop).
So, I think you need to do the steps again, this time delete the contents of the CanonBJ folder and empty it from the trash. The thing I would add this time is turn off the iP5000 (unplug the power cord but leave the USB connected) at Step 6 (you may need to shutdown rather than restart the Mac). Then start the Mac, install the latest driver (which is v4.1.9) do the disk permissions and then, before you open the Printer Setup Utility, reconnect the power cord to the printer. Hopefully now the driver will detect the printer and add it to the list.
Paul

I keep getting Kernel Panic when I try to install Panther

Hello!
I bought a used iMac from eBay. It's a 500mhz Indigo model with CDRW. It has Jaguar and OS9 installed on it and I want to install Panther. When I try to do the install the computer reboots and I get the Kernel Panic. I just want to wipe out whatever is there and start fresh with Panther but the Kernel keeps getting Panicky. Can anyone help?
BTW I'm not installing Tiger because I don't have it yet.
Thanks!
iMac G3 500mhz Indigo CDRW model Mac OS X (10.2.x)

Hi Again KeepItSimple!
As I asked in your Other Topic, does the Full Retail Version of Panther, have CDs that look like THESE?
It isn't necessary to start a new topic for the same issue. It's preferable to keep all the information in the same thread. Then users attempting to assist you have all the pertinent data in one place.
ali b

Intalling Panther or Tiger on an imac G3

Hello,
I have a Blueberry color Imac G3 which was made in spring of 2000. I recently bought a new ibook and want to upgrade the older mac as my sister is now using it. I asked this ? a long time back but am requesting any further help you can give. The imac has 640 of ram and the Hardrive is 30 gig. There's almost nothing taking up any HD space and almost all is available. This mac is mostly used to surf the net. I do however want to install either Panther or Tiger on this unit. The person who responded before said to use a retail version for a full install. Also, would either Panther or Tiger work on this mac?
Lastly, what does the install involve??
Thanks very much
1bookG4 Mac OS X (10.4.3)

omshanti:
I am not familiar with your computer, but it should easily support Panther, maybe even Tiger. Here are the basic requirements:
-Macintosh with a PowerPC G3, G4, or G5 processor
-Built-in USB
-At least 128MB of physical RAM
-Built-in display or a display connected to an Apple-supplied video card supported by your computer
In terms of installation, here are some suggestions to Archive and install. If you choose to do a clean install see note below:
Panther: Archive and Install
If you do not have a Full Retail Version you can get one on eBay relatively inexpensively.
If you have the right disks here is what you do.
1. Warning: Although we will use Archive and Install there is always a risk something can go wrong. As a precaution back up your User Folder and any apps you can't afford to lose.
2. Check to see if you have the latest Firmware Update: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=86117
3. Boot from the install disk holding down the C key.
4. Once booted go to the Installer Menu and open Disk Utility.
5. Run Repair Disk. If there are problems, run it until no problems are reported. If it reports that it can't repair the problems you might need TechTool Pro or Disk Warrior.
6. While still in Disk Utility run Repair Permissions.
7. Quit Disk Utility and open the Installer.
8. Choose the option to Archive and Install. This saves your data in a Previous Systems folder, which you can retrieve after installation.
9. You might want to Customize and deselect Foreign Language Translations and Additional Printer Drivers to save Hard Drive space.
10. Proceed with installation.
11. After installation is complete computer will restart. Open Disk Utility (Applications > Utilities > Disk Utility) and Repair Permissions.
NOTE (below):
To do a clean install:
Follow steps 1 through 4 above.
a. In Disk Utility select your HD in left panel and Erase in main panel.
b. Be sure Volume Format is Mac OS Extended and the checkbox Mac OS 9 Drivers Installed is checked.
c. Select Options at bottom left in Erase panel. (Note: This procedure will erase the contents of your entire HDD. Be sure you have anything you want saved backed up.Select option to zero all data. Click OK. Click Erase. This process may take a while, so this is a good time to take a walk or call your mother
d. After HDD is erased resume at No. 7 above.
Post back with any questions or comments.
Good luck.
cornelius
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Can I install Tiger in a Dual 500 MHz PowerPC G4?

Can I install Tiger in a Dual 500 MHz PowerPC G4, or is it better to stick with 10.3.9? I'm having some problems so I was going to wipe he hard drive and re-build everything from scratch o I was wondering if migrating to OS X 10.4.9 is worthwhile or even compatible with this PCU. Thanks.

Yes you can run 10.4 on your dual 500, I have a dual 450 (I overclocked it to 550...) and it runs pretty fast. You need a minimum 192 MB of RAM to install it and a minimum 128 MB of RAM to run it. I would suggest having at least 512 MB of RAM when running 10.4.
What problems are you experiencing? If it's just lagging and seeming slow it may just be worthwhile to clean some temp files and clean up your disk. IMHO, 10.4 is a much better system than 10.3, and runs much smoother. I can guarantee you that your system will run much smoother if you wipe the disk clean and put a fresh install of 10.4 on there, and also get a decent amount of RAM in there. After I upgraded my RAM to 1.5 GB, I noticed a substantial difference in speed, and got a lot less spinning color wheels. But one thing that you need to always keep in mind is to KEEP YOUR DISK CLEAN!!! Clean the temp files often and limit your internet downloading. If you keep your computer on all of the time, restart it every once in a while. There's a lot of little things you can do to increase speed in OS 10.4. Use spotlight and recent applications. Fill up your dock. Don't clutter the desktop, etc. There's plenty of articles on the net to help increase speed without adding anything else to your system, just navigating through the OS differently.

Can I install Panther on an extra internal drive to swap into another G5?

Bear with me on this long explanation...
I have a G5 that won't boot (lock on grey apple screen and then the fans blow wildly). I can't get the optical drive door to open unless it's in target disk mode with my powerbook -- where the drive door opens fine...but not when trying to boot the G5 on it's own. Unfortunately - this is preventing me from booting from the G5 Panther install discs.
I used Disk Utility while in target disk mode to verify/repair the disk and the report says the drive is fine (which I know doesn't mean it is free from corruption)...but if I then try to boot the G5 on it's own --- grey screen and I'm stuck. Seems like the G5 startup disk has died.
Also tried to boot from a FW drive with a cloned copy on it. Holding down option on restart --- I get the icon for an OSX volume (which is the FW drive)... click on the icon to select it (doesn't seem to do anything) but if I then hit the right arrow icon -- it goes back to the frozen grey screen.
OK -- here is the question:
Can I use my wife's G5 that runs Tiger to install Panther from my G5's install discs onto an extra internal drive that I can drop into the empty drive bay on the Tiger G5 --- and then install that extra internal drive (hopefully with panther now installed) into my G5 as a brand new start up disk?
If so -- are there any things that I need to do other than the procedure above?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance!

When installing Panther on the extra internal drive using the G5 running Tiger --- can I just insert the install discs into the Tiger G5 optical drive while it is already running and perform the install onto the extra drive
No. You have to boot from the installer disc to install any OS.
or would I need to restart the Tiger G5 with the install disc inside the optical drive and hold down c on restart to reboot from the Panther install discs and select the extra drive as the install destination?
Yes.

Problems installing Panther on G3 ibook

I recently bought panther off ebay to install on my 3 year old ibook G3 [700mhz, 640 RAM, 30g HD]. I am currently running 10.2.8 without problems.
During the installation process I got the message 'An error has occured during installation' 'Please try to reinstall' I've tried to install, in various ways, 5-7 times at this point with no luck.
I've tried upgrading, I've tried erasing the HD and installing, I've tried only installing/upgrading the necessary componets to run the system, all of which have ended in the same error message. The error occurs during the 'Preparing Base System Part 2' part of the installation process [somewhere around 4 minutes remaining].
I thought it was the discs I purchased, but I was able to install Panther on my external and boot the computer from there, so it seems the discs are good.
In my latest attempt I erased my HD and reinstalled 10.2 from my original disks, upgraded to the most current versions of everything through Software Update and tried the upgrade ... still getting the same error ...
Any suggestions of what might help?
ibook G3 Mac OS X (10.2.x) 700mhz, 640 RAM, 30g HD
ibook G3 Mac OS X (10.2.x)

Hi Again SloMocean!
Unfortunately, those CDs will not work on your iBook.
They are CDs that were designated to be shipped with a specific iBook model.
Although you have an iBook, it may not be exactly the same as the model that those CDs were intended for.
More info here Tip: Mac OS X Install CDs/Use On Multiple Macs.
You need a Full Retail Version of the Panther Install CDs, which can be purchased rather inexpensively, at some online Apple retailers, Amazon, eBay, etc.
They are no longer available directly from the "Apple Store", as "Tiger 10.4.x" is the most up to date OS.
You may find one on this eBay Search Results Page, but CAVEAT EMPTOR, as you have discovered!
If you do an expanded search on eBay, or Amazon, you will probably find more.
Once again, make sure the CDs that you purchase, look like THESE.
Once 10.3.x is installed, you can use the 10.3.9 Combo Update.
Shop Carefully, Read All Documentation, and Good Luck!
ali b

Why upgrade from Panther to Tiger on G4 iMac?

I have two iMacs. I use a G5 recently upgraded from Panther to Leopard 10.5.5. My wife has a G4 with Panther 10.3.9.
Now that I have Leopard I have a Tiger install license available.
Are there good reasons to upgrade my wife's G4 to Tiger?
She uses it heavily for e-mail, internet, and MS Word.
She's networked to my G5 through Airport and we use printer sharing and file sharing.
Her G4 works great, but I'm wondering about security issues.
Comments?
-Bob

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think Apple is still releasing Security updates for Panther too, isn't it?
I think some of the Panther software is starting to show its age limitations for Internet capabilities, and things like iTunes for all the new iPods, etc. On one hand if you're not actually having problems then my feeling is an old computer best runs software designed for it. On the other hand I am not sure you would lose any functionality if you did upgrade. I think most Panther applications run on Tiger, the system requirements are pretty similar. It's not like when you upgrade to Leopard that you suddenly lose Classic support and it requires (demands?) a faster processor. From my personal perspective upgrading to Leopard really makes a big difference in capabilities both ways and may even be a negative upgrade if you run old software the way I do. Upgrading from Panther to Tiger didn't have any downsides and had several upsides in terms of software is still being brought out for Tiger.
[Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger system requirements|http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=301341]
[OS 10.3 Panther requirements|http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106163]

Lost emails going from Panther to Tiger

I just went from Panther to Tiger (after doing an archive and install back to Panther from Tiger a month ago, long story and now a month's worth of my inbox mail is missing. Everything from before Nov 13 imported automatically, and everything from the last couple of days is there, (still on the server I assume) but nothing from Nov 13 to Dec 8. I've looked in the users/me/library/mail folder, but can't find the messages there. If anyone knows where I can find them and import them into Tiger mail, I'd be most grateful!
Thanks,
prokeds
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I just went from Panther to Tiger (after doing an archive and install back to Panther from Tiger a month ago, long story and now a month's worth of my inbox mail is missing. Everything from before Nov 13 imported automatically, and everything from the last couple of days is there, (still on the server I assume) but nothing from Nov 13 to Dec 8. I've looked in the users/me/library/mail folder, but can't find the messages there. If anyone knows where I can find them and import them into Tiger mail, I'd be most grateful!
Thanks,
prokeds
G5 Dual 2.0 GHz Mac OS X (10.4)

Upgrading from Panther to Tiger. Is it worth it?

Hi there. I have been debating this in my head for quite some time. It is worth upgrading from Panther to Tiger? What are the benefits?
Thanks,
dave

Hi dave!
If you do decide to upgrade, Tiger is available for purchase at The Apple Store (US).
Jaguar and Panther, are no longer available directly from the Apple Online Store, as Tiger 10.4.x is the most up to date OS.
A Full Retail Version of the Tiger Install DVD, can be purchased rather inexpensively, at some online Apple retailers, Amazon, eBay, AppleRescue, (as cornelius mentioned) etc.
Be sure not to purchase grey, upgrade or machine specific CDs or DVDs.
Additional info in these links.
Using OS X Install CDs/DVDs On Multiple Macs
What's A Computer Specific Mac OS X Release
Software Update, Upgrade: What's The Difference?
Once Tiger 10.4.x is installed, you can use the PPC 10.4.8 Combo Update, to upgrade to the most up-to-date version.
Tiger System Requirements
Mac Model Compatibility & Requirements For OS X
Additionally,
"Tiger ships on a DVD, but if your Mac doesn’t have a built-in DVD-ROM player, you’ll need CD media. When you buy Mac OS X Tiger, you qualify to purchase Tiger CDs for only $9.95."
Download The Order Form Here. Media Exchange Program
Shop Carefully, Examine All Documentation, And Good Luck!
ali b

Moving AddressBook folder from Panther to Tiger?

I did an erase install of Tiger to my powerbook g4, but kept a backup of the Panther files on CD. (I had to select erase and reformat, as my daughter dropped the laptop, corrupting some of the files on the hardrive.)
I would like to copy the old Address Book in Panther (i.e. Home > Library > Application Support > AddressBook) to Tiger, but it appears that the files are not compatible between the two OS X releases? When I tried this, the application hung. Unfortunately I did not move my addresses to a vCard or do a backup, so all I have is the old data files. Any advice on how to move this data from Panther to Tiger? The only thing I can think of at this point is to find someone with Panther, and hopefully they will let me use their machine to get a proper backup of my address book from the Panther version of Mail.
By the way, although most files were not corrupted when the laptop was dropped, some were, so maybe I am dealing with a currupted AddressBook folder.
Note: I am dual posting under both 10.3 and 10.4 forums...
Thanks in advance, John

Place the /Applications Support/AddressBook/ folder in the new /Home/Library/Applications Support/ folder replacing the default one created by Tiger. Now launch the Tiger Address Book application. It should prompt you about importing the old data.

Question about updating from panther to tiger

I'm getting ready to update my system from panther to tiger. I'm going to use archive and install to do it. My question is will have to reload logic pro 7.1.1 after I do this?
Thanks,
Chuck Floyd

prokeds, if you want your mail as it was do this:
On your backup navigate to your ~(yourhome)/library/mail (copy the whole folder) and replace the corresponding folder on your new system. (First drag your existing Mail folder to the desktop until you're sure you don't need it.)
Do the same with ~(yourhome)/library/preferences/com.apple.mail.plist * This is a very important file which contains all email account settings and general mail preferences.
When you relaunch Mail decline any prompts to "import".
EDIT: I didn't even realize these were the instructions I already gave to the OP. They should work for you, post back if they don't or if your issue is different.
-mj
[email protected]

Having problems upgrading from Panther to Tiger

Hi there!
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Call 1-800-MY-APPLE WRT media exchange program and the DVD version you have.

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