Instrument samples / pitch

Hi, new member here, new to both mac and garage band, so all help greatly appreciated!
1. How can I install more instrument samples (eg. more bass guitars than are on the standard installation); do I have to buy a "jam pack" and if so which one do you recommend.
2. Is it possible to have more than a one octave range for pitch changes if so how? (C sounds unrealistically low for the bass line).
Cheers........Brian

btw_2010 wrote:
1. How can I install more instrument samples (eg. more bass guitars than are on the standard installation); do I have to buy a "jam pack" and if so which one do you recommend.
the jam packs of lots of instruments, but which one you buy depends a lot of the styles in which you're interested. you can see an overview here:
http://www.bulletsandbones.com/GB/PluginsApplesJamPacks.html
as well as some PDFs from them:
http://www.bulletsandbones.com/GB/GBFAQ.html#jp1content
(Let the page FULLY load. The link to your answer is at the top of your screen)
there are also thousands of SoundFonts available online:
http://www.bulletsandbones.com/GB/PlugInsSoundFonts.html

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But so far that's only a collection of samples - what you need is a sampler file that tells the software which sample to trigger with which key (the .exs files in GB's instrument library).
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revDAVE wrote:
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Hello,
I'm a traditional (acoutic) Korean drummer/musician looking at going going electric (both for composing and later performing these virtual instruments on stage).
I would like samples of Korean instruments in my computer to trigger and/or make loops.
I can try making samples by recording my instruments on my own, but I'm willing to pay for quality rather than make them on my own. Also I don't have all the instruments I would like.
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just visited your website, looks like you have a great group going there.
actually looking at the photos on your site made me think, you'd be best off getting in there and sampling the instruments yourself.
you'll probably find a bunch of stuff out there to buy.. but I think it would be a shame if you just hobbled together a bunch of more or less generic asian percussion samples just because that's all you could find. if you're an expert in these instruments and in the musical tradition of it all, you're in a really great position to really understand the dynamics of the sounds they make and how best to capture it all, so that you get similar playability from your sample set.
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I have searched and seem to be the only one with this?
anyone else?
Keefy

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Phew!
Okay, cheers all and back to work I go ! ! ! !

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I fine tune automation and velocity, and still find myself unsatisfied, so just to compare, I switch all of the tracks to the full string section, and I've never really had it not sound, well, better.
The frustrating part is that I cant just switch around as I please because it completely throws off the fine tuning of velocity so that it sounds awkward and choppy again.
So maybe I can see how the raw sound of just violins playing would be desireable if it were out of the context of something orchestral, but what am I missing? It just doesnt seem to blend when I use the separate section samples.
Message was edited by: Ravich

Ravich wrote:
But going off of what you said regarding strings... I guess I'm just surprised at how... unimpressed I am with a lot of the KH instruments I have played around with, given what I had heard about the library. Things like obvious timbre changes on only one note of a scale not based on velocity... the oboe seems to be recorded so that it sounds extremely breathy and more like a bassoon saxophone hybrid than an oboe, and all but like 2 of the varying options tend to have very intense vibrato that sounds very uncharacteristic of any oboe I have heard within an orchestral setting. Also it's almost like sometimes the mic switches places from note to note, because the breath of a wind instrument player suddenly becomes very audible.
Yea, this is why, if you are really serious about this, and can justify the expense, you really need to own several libraries, and learn each ones strengths and weaknesses. Sometimes, amongst all the high dollar samples, that one oboe sample from your old mirage sampler still speaks in the track better than any other. And while that's a slight exaggeration, I think most here would agree with that statement.
It takes a lot of experimenting before what comes out of your speakers matches what's in your head, and truthfully, I don't think that ever totally happens. You find a compromise you can live with.
I know Kirk's stuff is among the best value for the money, but I know several folks who feel the same way you do. It's a highly subjective thing, so just because one guy gets a lot of milage out of it, doesn't mean you necessarily will.
I'd throw out VSL as an strong contender. Do check them out. No libraries offer "Demos", as far as I am aware, because of the size of the samples. But each website has many, many demo recordings, some submitted by users like you and me. So go listen to those, and see which ones "speak" to you.
Ravich wrote:
I know they say that digitally modifying the pitch (like using one sample for a range of notes or whatever) is a bad thing, but it would seem to me that those sorts of inconsistencies are worse.
To the best of my knowledge, the "big" boys aren't doing that anymore, because hard drive size and sample length are really not much of an issue these days.
To sum this up, I remember reading a quote back in the mid 80's, when sampling was taking hold. Someone said
"A sample is the right note, played at the wrong time".
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When you think about how true that is, it's amazing we can get useable results at all out of samples.
Just realize as good as it's gotten, it's a far cry from the real thing...

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