Integration Scenario Configuator and Business Services (B2B)

We use Business Services to define the services provided by our external business partners (e.g. a transport organization has defined some webservices to which we connect to).
The reason why we use Business Services is that we don't have to define them in the SLD. And we understand from the documentation that external business systems should be defined as Business Services and not Business Systems.
Now we want to use the Integration Scenario Configurator, but when we define a B2B service in the Integation Scenario, we cannot create the communication channels with the wizard. Futhermore the other object (receiver determination etc.) is also not created for the business service.
When we take a look at the definition of a B2B scenario in the SAP documentation, the documentation describes a complete different use of B2B. We understand from the documentation that B2B is a cross company XI landscape where all partners have there own XI system. This also explains the behavure in the configurator since one party cannot access its own business systems.
This leaves us with the following questions:
1. Is B2B only possible for XI to XI scenario's?
2. Is a service provided by a partner a business system?
3. And do we have to include all communication end point in the SLD?
Kind regards,
Christiaan Schaake

Dear Christiaan,
I encountered the same problem. What I did was that I created a party for the external business partner and assigned a business service to it. Beside this you have to check the box (ext. party w. B2B comm) under communication type in the application component in the integration scenario.
When you have done this you can create comm. channel with the wizard and also the other objects.
see: http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw2004s/helpdata/en/e6/908d3f7057eb0ce10000000a114084/content.htm
Regarding your questions: depending on the way we think, we can come up with different answers. I don't think this is what you're looking for.
Maybe someone else can give you a clear answer.
Kind Regards
Ron van Steen

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Business Systems
and
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Which situations we use Business Systems / Business Service.
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Hi Sunil,
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Is it like
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Yes now I achived it...
It like the same as I mentioned
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