Intelligent Agent start fail

I tried to start Oracle 9i intelligent agent with command "agentctl start". But it failed, I check the log file, it says "failed while initializing user subsystem, Error initializing subsystems". Any one knows why???
HELP!!

I am having the same problem. i see you have posted your message a month ago and i am hopeful that you might have already found a solution. if you have, i would apprecite it very much if you could share it.please.
regards,
leb

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hello,
OracleOraHome92Agent service is stopped and i tried it first but failed to start.I went to command line and tried to start the agentctl start it gives me error as follows
""-------------- [OracleOraHome92Agent] ------------
Sending initial service status..
Commandline is "D:\oracle\ora92\bin\dbsnmpwd.bat" -agent_name OracleOraHome92Agent
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Copyright (c) 1996, 2006 Oracle Corporation. All rights reserved.
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I am having the same problem. i see you have posted your message a month ago and i am hopeful that you might have already found a solution. if you have, i would apprecite it very much if you could share it.please.
regards,
leb

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Hi,
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I am not able to start the Oracle Intelligent Agent. I am getting the following error.
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Copyright (c) 2003 Oracle Corporation. All rights reserved.
Starting Oracle Intelligent Agent...
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---Output of dbsnmp.nohup---
bash-2.05$ more dbsnmp.nohup-----
Mon Oct 13 10:43:56 AFT 2008
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Error initializing subsystems
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Could not start agent. Initialization failure
---Output of dbsnmp.log---
bash-2.05$ more dbsnmp.log
DBSNMP for Solaris: Version 9.2.0.3.0 - Production on 13-OCT-2008 10:44:00
Copyright (c) 2003 Oracle Corporation. All rights reserved.
System parameter file is /oracle/product/9.2.0.1/network/admin/snmp_ro.ora
Log messages written to /oracle/product/9.2.0.1/network/log/dbsnmp.log
Trace information written to /oracle/product/9.2.0.1/network/trace/dbsnmp_6030.trc
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00.120 kapttdw1m 10.10.100.186 kapttdw1-ce3 192.168.100.233}
Using oratab file /var/opt/oracle/oratab
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Thanks in Advance
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Check following thread..
http://kr.forums.oracle.com/forums/message.jspa?messageID=631474
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Hello Peter,
I, alas do not have the answer for you. But... your symptom is EXACTLY LIKE MINE!!I was running OEM 2.0.4 and Oracle on a linux box (unfortunately, today I did something wrong and blew the database away!!!, I do not want to tell you how many hours I spend getting the database up, connected and communitcating with Windows NT box running OEM!) I made the switch from 2.0.4 to 2.1, and everything quit. More or less. I fixed my tnsnames.ora file on the NT side. That allowed me to connect. I got the Agent (sortof) running on the linux box and then I could discover the linux host computer name and domain, but it would not find ANY database. Although I could connect from the linux box, the nt box using oem (direct to db), sqlplus, and Access odbc!!! All listeners were there, etc. I did check the snmp*.ora files, and they would not discover anything (linux side) even though the LISTENER was listening, and tnsnames were naming and instances were instancing. My guess is yet another bug.
Sorry for long reply. Now I will RELOAD THE ENTIRE DATABASE AND APP AGAIN!! I so far have been totally unable to run on the liux side, net assist and net easy config, but I could sucessfully bypass those apps by correctly using and configuring initSID.ora, etc and the other *.ora files.
Eric
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Peter C:
I try to discover an Intelligent Agent 8.1.5 running on a Linux server with an Oracle 8.1.5 DB from an Oracle Enterprise Management Server 2.1. We just upgraded from OEM 2.0.4 to 2.1 and I had no problem with the Linux agent under 2.0.4.
After starting the Agent on the Linux server the SERVICES.ORA and SNMP_RO.ORA files contain the information about the services running on the server. When I start the Discovery Wizard it fails with the error 'Discovery Failed:VD-4565:The agent of the node is already being deleted'.
Then I stoped the agent and all service on the Linux server and did the following. I removed the SID_LIST entry from the LISTENER.ORA file and used the LOCAL_LISTENER init.ora parameter for the database. I know that the agent needs the SID_LIST to discover the database services, but I just wanted to give it a try. After restarting the database, listener and agent the SERVICE.ORA and SNMP_RO.ORA files did not contain any service information as expected. I tried to discover the agent again from the OEM 2.1 console and everything seemed to work fine. No errors this time. The Linux node was added to Nodes folder in the Navigator tree, but for sure no database or listener.
Therefore I put the SID_LIST back into the listener.ora file and restarted the listener and agent. The service information were included in SERVICES.ORA and SNMP_RO.ORA file again. So I tried a Refresh Node from the OEM console and the error VD-4565 showed up again.
Does anyone have any idea what's going on an how I can manage a Linux database from an OEM 2.1 console?
Any help is appreciated.
Thanks
Peter<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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Anyone have an idea on what to do?
Regards,
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fot (guest) wrote:
: Hi,
: I've installed Oracle8 Enterprise Edition successfully on a
: Debian Potato (glibc2.1) system.
: Everything works just fine, except for the Intelligent Agent.
: I first tried to start it with:
: lsnrctl dbsnmp_start
: The errormessage I received was:
: DBSNMP Discovery Error: Couldn't read file "./oracle_olympia":
no
: such file or directory
: I changed the reference to "./oracle_olympia" in the
: $ORACLE_HOME/network/agent/config/nmiconf.lst file to
: $ORACLE_HOME/network/agent/tcl/init.tcl (just a guess, is this
a
: correct thing to do?), but then it gave me the following:
: DBSNMP Discovery Error: no library has been specified for Tcl
: So I got myself tcl7.5 (I was running tcl8.1.1) and copied
: libtcl7.5.a to $ORACLE_HOME/network/lib/
: I even put that path into /etc/ld.so.conf and did an ldconfig.
: Still the same error.
: In the tracefile I get:
: creating package index
: -<ERROR>- failed to initialize init.tcl, error 1
: -<ERROR>- Tcl result:
: n: transport is open
: Well, I'm out of stuff to try.
: Anyone have an idea on what to do?
: Regards,
: FoT
Hi again,
After some deeper research I managed to get the intelligent agent
running.
Basicly the answer is to install the tcl8.0.2.so library.
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Regards,
FoT
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Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init.
Please help me to fix the problem. Many thanks.
Regards,
Franklin.

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Daryl thx for the reminder. My DB is 9.2.0.1 on XP but the same rules apply as Unix. It turns out I missed deletion of one of the .q files which was enough to block auto-create on atleast one .q file and leave me hanging.
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