Interface and Receiver determination steps

Dear Experts,
I have list of queries which I am facing issue in ID. I am working on SOAP<->SAP-PI<->PROXY scenario.
1. Created 2 Service Interface i.e. SI_SOAP_OB and SI_PROXY_IB in ESR.
My question is that in the sender and receiver tab what should be the entries in Business System of SOAP and PROXY systems ( i.e. BS system created under the node Communication Component without party). I created this Business System ABAP from the entries of SLD.
2. What is the sequence of steps in the ID i.e. Cc,ID,RD,SA,RA.
3. In the Receiver Determination, I can see in the "Configuration Overview" tab
that the PROXY business system has red entries. I think that this system should show SI_PROXY_IB
but it shows SI_SOAP_OB.
4. When trying to create Interface Determination, I receive "JAVA.lang stack overflow error"
and INTERNAL ERROR.I made sure that there is no inactivated objects under my user.
5. I am sure that the step till creating SI in ESR and sender agreement in ID is correct. Can I create proxy as well as WSDL with end point at this stage.
I need urgent suggestions from experts , kindly help.
Regards
Alice Rebecca

1. Created 2 Service Interface i.e. SI_SOAP_OB and SI_PROXY_IB in ESR.
My question is that in the sender and receiver tab what should be the entries in Business System of SOAP and PROXY systems ( i.e. BS system created under the node Communication Component without party). I created this Business System ABAP from the entries of SLD.
ANS -
For SOAP, anything like Legacy_filer can be created & used.
For PROXY, use the business system of R/3 system maintained in SLD.
2. What is the sequence of steps in the ID i.e. Cc,ID,RD,SA,RA.
ANS-
Sender CC
Sender Agreement
Rec Determination
Int Determination
Rec CC
Rec Agreement.
Create the steps in COnfiguration Scenario directly.
3. In the Receiver Determination, I can see in the "Configuration Overview" tab
that the PROXY business system has red entries. I think that this system should show SI_PROXY_IB
but it shows SI_SOAP_OB.
4. When trying to create Interface Determination, I receive "JAVA.lang stack overflow error"
and INTERNAL ERROR.I made sure that there is no inactivated objects under my user.
ANS
its cache error. Go for full cache refresh in IB>AdministrationData cahce--cache refresh.
5. I am sure that the step till creating SI in ESR and sender agreement in ID is correct. Can I create proxy as well as WSDL with end point at this stage.
ANS
Nope. create the structure in ESR & generate proxy for the same in ECC system. that's it. No need of WSDL here.
-santosh.

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