Interoperability with older wireless standards using new Airport Base?

my question to everyone is how will the new base station inter-operate with existing Apple Wireless equipment, like the older Airport Express 802.11g?
I have the older base station at the moment, which is 802.11g compatible and I also use Airport Express to stream music to my Amplifier from iTunes.
Off course because they all have the same speed and use WDS to work as a pair, I get extended wireless signal all around my house which is great.
How will that work with the new base station?
Will they still work together, and how will you stop devices that support 802.11n from stepping down to 11g if the signal from your airport express is stronger as part of the WDS network?
Any help and advice would be greatly appreciated.
cheers
G

I couldn't find any manuals or guides that include
the new AEBS with 802.11n.
They haven't been released yet.
I would guess that with
the new AEBS, it will work with 802.11a,b & g, but
operate at the speed of the lowest common
denominator. So if you had three 802.11n devices and
one 802.11b, all would operate at the 802.11b speed
because the AEBS would switch to that mode for all
wireless. This is how it has been done before on
previous Airport Base Stations.
This is not correct.
When a device 802.11b or 802.11g joins an 802.11n network, yes it does slow it down, but not down to the lowest denominator.
If an 802.11b or 802.11g client joined an 802.11n network, 802.11n clients would still connect at speeds faster than 802.11g, but not as fast as a pure 802.11n network.
With the 802.11g Airport Extreme and Airport Express, a similar thing would happen when a 802.11b client joined the network, 802.11g clients would still connect at speeds faster than 802.11b, but just not as fast as a pure 802.11g network.

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