IPhoto 08 woes!! – RANT -

Can someone please explain to me the thinking behind the reorganization of the iPhoto library in iPhoto 7?
I thought that my previous version (iPhoto 5) had a logical, hierarchical system for storing images so that it was a relatively simple task to locate an image in Finder by simply going to ~/Pictures/iPhoto Library/2007/10/08 (if I wanted to find an image taken on the 8th October 2007).
I’ve just installed iLife ’08 because I upgraded my OS from Tiger to Leopard and thought that I should upgrade iPhoto, too
In iPhoto 5 I could delete photos from the iPhoto Library in the Finder (which enabled me to delete EVERYTHING) – because simply hitting Delete in iPhoto DID NOT remove the images from the Pictures folder and, for example, if you have your Screen Saver set to scroll through your Pictures folder all those photos you thought had been consigned to the Trash by hitting Delete in iPhoto are, miraculously, still in your Pictures folder! When I want to Delete I REALLY want to get rid of every vestige of the image from my system – not just from the iPhoto library!
Back to my current problem – iPhoto 7 chooses to make all the contents of the iPhoto Library hidden unless one Control clicks and chooses ‘Show Package Contents’ - then what is revealed is an absolute mare’s nest! The previous year/month/day system seems to have been severely compromised. iPhoto 7, in its infinite wisdom has allocated a couple of hundred scanned images (all of which were imported into iPhoto 5 with the correct information as to the date that the images were taken) to the year 1970!! Who knows why?? they were all taken at different dates but NONE of the dates was 1970 – has all my information been lost forever?
Secondly, a quick check of several images reveals that the year/month/date system is buried under the ‘Originals’ folder HOWEVER when you go to e.g. 20030419 to find images taken on the 19th April 2003, the correct images display BUT the ‘Created’ information shows 26 03 2005! I simply CANNOT believe that iPhoto has decided to put some arbitrary date on these images instead of the actual date the image was captured.
Can someone tell me how I can ‘revert’ to my iPhoto 5 app. because I really cannot see that the ‘benefits’ of iPhoto 7 are of any benefit to me?
Tricia

Patricia
Can someone please explain to me the thinking behind the reorganization of the iPhoto library in iPhoto 7?
I can.
I thought that my previous version (iPhoto 5) had a logical, hierarchical system for storing images so that it was a relatively simple task to locate an image in Finder by simply going to ~/Pictures/iPhoto Library/2007/10/08 (if I wanted to find an image taken on the 8th October 2007).
Yes, but what were you rooting around in the iPhoto Library Folder? Doing this risks corrupting your library and is much slower that using the application the way the developers intended.
In iPhoto 5 I could delete photos from the iPhoto Library in the Finder (which enabled me to delete EVERYTHING) – because simply hitting Delete in iPhoto DID NOT remove the images from the Pictures folder
The correct way to remove Pics from iPhoto and the HD is to ut them in your iPhoto trash and then empty the iPhoto trash. That does it. If it didn't on your old machine that's most likely a symptom of minor disk trouble.
You know that the Screen Saver caches images, right? And that you may have seen images in the ScreenSaver cache - again not updated because of the same minor disk trouble.
ack to my current problem – iPhoto 7 chooses to make all the contents of the iPhoto Library hidden unless one Control clicks and chooses ‘Show Package Contents’ - then what is revealed is an absolute mare’s nest!
Well, you know, iPhoto develops along, and had you upgraded to v6 you'd have seen that this system was introduced then. And the pkg file comes in with v7, but with the same library structure as v6.
But here's one thing that has not changed an iota since v1:
*It is strongly advised that you do not move, change or in anyway alter things in the iPhoto Library Folder as this can cause the application to fail and even lead to data loss*
You know it really does not matter a whit what folder iPhoto puts the pics in, what matters is where they are in the iPhoto Window. Very simply, there are no user serviceable parts in the iPhoto Library Folder. Period. Making changes in there corrupts your library.
Secondly. when you examine photos in the you're accessing them via the FINDER. The finder simply produces the Date the FILE was created. However, iPhoto uses the EXIF data to get its' date, so again, where the file in the iPhoto Library is matters not.
So, deep breath, get out of the iPhoto Library Folder and leave it be. You do ALL your work in the iPhoto Window. And if you want to access a file:
There are three ways (at least) to get files from the iPhoto Window.
1. *Drag and Drop*: Drag a photo from the iPhoto Window to the desktop, there iPhoto will make a full-sized copy of the pic.
2. *File -> Export*: Select the files in the iPhoto Window and go File -> Export. The dialogue will give you various options, including altering the format, naming the files and changing the size. Again, producing a copy.
3. *Show File*: Right- (or Control-) Click on a pic and in the resulting dialogue choose 'Show File'. A Finder window will pop open with the file already selected.
To upload to MySpace or any site that does not have an iPhoto Export Plug-in the recommended way is to Select the Pic in the iPhoto Window and go File -> Export and export the pic to the desktop, then upload from there. After the upload you can trash the pic on the desktop. It's only a copy and your original is safe in iPhoto.
This is also true for emailing with Web-based services. If you're using Gmail you can use THIS
If you use Apple's Mail, Entourage, AOL or Eudora you can email from within iPhoto.
If you use a Cocoa-based Browser such as Safari, you can drag the pics from the iPhoto Window to the Attach window in the browser. Or, if you want to access the files with iPhoto not running, then create a Media Browser using Automator (takes about 10 seconds) or use THIS
Also, for 10.5 users: If you use the extended Open or Attach dialogue (with Column View) you can scroll to the bottom of the Shortcuts and find the Media browser there. Select any pic you want from there.
You can set Photoshop (or any image editor) as an external editor in iPhoto. (Preferences -> General -> Edit Photo: Choose from the Drop Down Menu.) This way, when you double click a pic to edit in iPhoto it will open automatically in Photoshop or your Image Editor, and when you save it it's sent back to iPhoto automatically.
See? No need to ever go into that folder.
If you want to revert to v5, the first question to consider: have you kept a copy of the v5 library?
By all means take a deep breath and count to 10, then post again.
Apart from the very many improvements through v6 and v7, I would think that the ability to edit losslessly is a major step ahead of v5.
Regards
TD

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    Well...Thanks Apple for censoring and deleting my previous discussion which DID contain useful and constructive information for many people who are trying to track down their photos in Iphoto.  I didn't realize how strongly censored this forum is.  I guess I shouldn't rant about it, or this will also get deleted.
    Once again, if anyone is trying to find their original picture files, open a Finder window > Places / your user name / Pictures / Iphoto Library ( Left click and select "Show Package Contents" / Originals.
    Also: as an Apple Forum user tip:  Don't be too critical of the Apple products or your post will be deleted.
    Thanks again LarryHN and Terence D for the help.

    Don't use iPhoto.
    iPhoto is a Photo Manager. It's designed to work like, say the AddressBook on your computer. Think of it this way:
    Add all your addresses to the Addressbook. Edit them, group and organise them as you will.
    If you need to access an address then simply use the tools built-in to every app in your Mac to do so - like the email or mail merge features and so on.
    *some where on the HD is all that information, but you wouldn't try and find that file, would you? You'd access the data via the Address Book application or the various hooks written into the Applications that integrate with it.
    Now, repeat swapping out the word 'address' for the word 'Photos'
    Add all your Photos to the iPhoto. Edit them, group and organise them as you will.
    If you need to access an Photo then simply use the tools built-in to every app in your Mac to do so - like the Media browser. These are detailed here:
    For help accessing your photos in iPhoto see this user tip:
    https://discussions.apple.com/docs/DOC-4491
    This User Tip
    https://discussions.apple.com/docs/DOC-4921
    has details of the options in the Export dialogue.
    What you are trying to teach the kids is a file based system. iPhoto is a data based system. If you don't want to teach the kids how to use a data based system then don't use iPhoto.

  • IPhoto '09 seems to be incompatible with Mountain Lion

    Hi
    I am a long-standing major fan of Apple computers. This is because they allow me to work easily with images. I am an art historian and museum curator. My professional life is entirely about images ... or rather about images attached to data.
    For years I have been accumulating and categorising images using iPhoto. It has been the most wonderful tool. A clear, simple interface. The capacity to attach searchable free-text metadata. Wow, that simple feature makes this the most powerful application of any I have ever used.
    The problems started for me when iPhoto '11 first came out. This removed the capacity to compare photos side by side in full screen mode, a brilliant, simple and obviously powerful feature. As a consequence I did not upgrade, but stuck with iPhoto '09 (8.1.2).
    Now I discover that there seems to be a bug which means iPhoto '09 is not compatible with Mountain Lion. Whenever you go into Preferences the computer seizes up and has to be hard-booted. An Apple genius was unable to fix this for me. I've reinstalled the entire operating system to try and fix the problem, but it remains. I gathered from a discussion thread that it was simply an incompatibility with Mountain Lion.
    As a consequence I have purchased iPhoto '11 (9.4.1) and Aperture, which I was advised by the Apple Genius would be much better than iPhoto. I have converted my several iPhoto libraries. But I just cannot get anything resembling the clean functionality of iPhoto '09. Everywhere I am cluttered up with gadgetry which I cannot remove. It just is no longer possible to view photos with their basic metadata in a clear and simple way.
    The only way I can see forward is to downgrade to Lion, reinstall iPhoto '09, and live the rest of my life without ever upgrading to Mountain Lion.
    Forgive the long rant. I am sure people will be irritated and say I should not be using an application designed for holiday snaps for professional purposes. But that is not how I see it. iPhoto is part of the fundamental suite of utilities which makes an Apple computer what it is. That means it ought not to be designed with a single purpose in mind. We are creative people. We use our machines as it suits us to use them. Apple became what it is because it understood that.
    If anyone can point me in the direction of a image organiser which allows me to store photos with associated searchable free-text metadata, add dates of my own choosing to the images and to do this in a way which integrates with other applications as well as iPhoto, I'd be so very grateful.
    Otherwise I think it's going to have to be the downgrade.
    Or could this even be the moment come to abandon Apple? I'm due for a new machine. For the first time in 25 years and six Apple computers I'm going to be considering the competition. Any helpful suggestions would be very gratefully received.
    Thanks.

    Yes, that's it! You're brilliant. Thank you so, so much.
    Just in case anyone else reads this having had the same problem, the answer is (as Terence says) to delete anything which might cause the computer to try to link to a MobileMe account. My iPhoto libraries had old MobileMe photo galleries which I hadn't bothered about in years. It seems these caused the iPhoto Preference pane to attempt to access MobileMe whenever I opened it. This of course it could not do because the service is defunct and so the computer simply beachballed. In order to remove the MobileMe galleries I found I could only do it if I first disconnected my wireless network. All MobileMe references are gone now (I hope) and everything seems to be working well.
    Hugely grateful.
    (Sorry clicked the wrong message for 'Answered my question')

  • Iphoto 09, the slider for the thumbnail doesn't show full size image

    The slider in the lower left that when to the left shows small thumbnails and when to the right, to the "head icon", shows the image enlarged to fill the window, is broken in iPhoto 09. When you slide all the way to the right or click the head icon, the biggest the images magnify to is thumbnails sized to four across and three high thumbnails (displaying 12 big thumbnails rather than one screen filling image). The only way to examine the image now in 09 is to go into edit mode, which still has the row of thumbnails across the top instead of a single large image.
    This is really annoying and stupid and makes the program much less useful. Why would they change the program to make it impossible to see the images at full screen unless in edit mode? Any way to put it back to the 08 behavior?

    It does seem a bit silly to retain the icon that implies a full sized viewing though.
    iPhoto menu -> Provide iPhoto Feedback
    If a change is an improvement, I'm all for it. If it is an arbitrary and unnecessary change, it can just be irritating. Like changing the reload button in Safari from the upper left to a variable position somewhere in the upper middle part of the window, a change that improved nothing and probably was a bad idea; changing a constantly located icon to one that roams around depending on the window width.
    Absolutely. Not sure what that has to do with iPhoto, though.
    I can cope with changes that make things more efficient or improve quality.
    Good to know.
    I don't quite understand the defense of mindless changes that merely require the user to dig around and waste time figuring out what happened to seemingly missing standard features.
    But who’s defending anything?
    I don't think that the sheep who copes by blithely accepting being herded onto the slaughterhouse truck is necessarily exercising any signs of higher intelligence.
    True. But what do you make of the one who goes ranting off about things based on incorrect information?
    This change in the software is inconvenient and makes the program worse.
    By way of explanation and not at all to defend: It’s a subtle thing, I know. But it does add a level of coherence to the OS. Quicklook in the Finder, for instance, does a similar thing with the same keystroke. Itunes starts playing a track on the same keystroke. So, I’m not sure where the failed analysis is.
    Regards
    TD

  • Open With iPhoto

    Sometimes iPhoto is a simple to use program that does all I need --- but it can't organize like Bridge can, so I would like to use Bridge and then an "Open With iPhoto" command. I can add iPhoto to the applications in Preferences|File Type Associations, and Bridge then starts the iPhoto app after I double click an image -- but then I receive a message that "the file cannot be imported. It is in the iPhoto library." (Of course it is.)
    Now, before ranting that this forum is for professionals and it's an Apple problem -- let me suggest that Apple made sure iPhoto had the ability to open an image for editing in Photoshop.
    So, can somebody help me figure out how to make these two very good programs work together?

    I should mention, you can right click on an image through finder, select 'Get info' scroll down till you see 'Open With:' here you can default iPhoto, then click 'change all' and continue... you can also just use iPhoto in select images by not clicking on 'Change all', the change will only apply to that image
    This way you get iPhoto on the list as 'defualt' but still have all the others available as before...
    Rick
    iMac G5 iSight 20" - 30G iPOD in Slimming Black - Mac OS X (10.4.7) - HP Pav 15" WS and Toshiba Sat 17" WS LP's - Canon 20D & A620

  • Why iTunes? Why not iPhoto, or the Movies Folder?

    I hope this does not come across as just ranting. I think I have a couple of intelligent questions here, and am genuinely confused.
    I'm far from new to the Mac. But admittedly have stalled as Apple moved toward mobility and sharing. I do not have any iOS devices; stopped upgrading at Snow Leopard; was sad to see my .Mac become .me, and now evaporate into a cloud. I am not really doing much with iCloud, other than the bare minimal to keep my many years old .Mac email address. I do, however, have and use a Mac Pro, two MacBook Pros, and some older Powerbooks and iPods.
    And now, I have an Apple TV. I just got a new ATV (Amazon listing said "newest" so is that gen 2 or 3?).
    Weather 2nd or 3rd gen ATV, I am having a difficult time using it to play so much of the content I have on several different internal and external hard drives.
    I falsely assumed that video I created or edited using QTPro or iMovie would have an easy and logical route to the Apple TV.
    Wouldn't it make sense to stream from iPhoto, which has video uploaded from digital cameras, or anything in the User Movies folder?
    Any video I have on non-boot drives, internal or external, has no simple way to be played on the ATV.
    For years, working with video, It did not make any sense for me to use iTunes. Hence, the greater percentage of my stuff is not mp4 or m4v, though I try to use H264 now as much as possible. Still, I have much in avi; divx, wmv, mkv, etc. For that reason, I have 2 Sony Pplaystations (PS3) for streaming to HD TVs. But those do not like Apple proprietary video. Which is why I broke down and bought the ATV.
    I am accustomed to having to convert things and have several good video conversions applications, as well as QTPro.
    But the video file type is not my main issue right now. I knew the ATV would not play all those other file types.
    What I did not know, and am struggling with now, is the fact that everything has to come from iTunes, which resides on my boot drive, which only has a fraction of the movies and tv shows I want to stream to the ATV.
    So...Do I have to create multiple iTunes Libraries and store one on each of the non-boot drives?
    If so, how do I use the ATV to select the Library I want to use?
    I do have Home Sharing turned on. As I mentioned, I do not use or have any iOS devices, only multiple laptops and desktops and older iPods.
    So Airplay, as I understand it, is not part of my scenario?
    Nor is syncing, since this is a ATV 2 or 3, right?
    I did figured out one clumsy method of getting video from other than iTunes, but it's limited. It's this:
    In iTunes, I go to Advanced > Choose Photos to Share. Then in the Photo Sharing Preferences box that comes up, next to Share Photos From: I select a folder on one of the non-boot drives, and check the Include videos box. It works, so far. But as best I can figure, I can only make one selection (folder) at a time.
    Help, advise, comments will be much appreciated. Thanks

    The requirements for AppleTV were clear to me that iTunes is required to play videos. Also the video formats were listed in the requirments.
    You have to have iTunes running to stream the videos to your appleTV, but the iTunes library does not have to be on an internal drive. My iTunes library is on a 2TB external drive. I know others have multiple external drives making up their iTunes library but I do not know how they accomplished that.

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