IPhoto 6 library size-weirdness continues..

I have archived my full library to DVD and deleted all items. Finder still shows the library size at 1.24 GB! Inside I find it is not cache, nor thumbnails that take this space, but rather orinals which I have deleted before. Please see the screenshots showing the library, its size, size of the originals folder.
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In other words, deleting photos from library may not always lead to deleting the actual photos from disk, even if the trash in the library is emptied! In my opinion this is a bug and leads to unnecessary orphans and size bloat on disk. What do you think?
Also when burning the archive iPhoto library showed 3.2 GB from within iPhoto, it showed 5.19 GB in finder and when I was burning it on a DVD the size showed 3.9 GB!!
Just wanted to make you aware of this.
Roman

Dear Roman--I have had the same problem with iPhoto 6. I recently discovered that the iPhoto library contained many full-size images and movies which I had earlier trashed via the iPhoto application. In other words, when I discarded an image or movie when running iPhoto, the image or movie was not actually removed from the library (and my hard drive). Over time, the library became approximately 2 GB larger than it should have been. This is a waste of hard drive space which could become significant. To start tracking down the non-deleted movies, first create a smart album in iPhoto which displays all of your movies. Then, leaving the iPhoto application open, use the find command in the Finder to locate all of the movies in the iPhoto library folder. In theory, the number of movies should be the same in both the smart album and the Finder window. I found approximately 40 extra moves via the Finder. One by one, I compared the movies in the Finder window to the movies in the iPhoto smart album. After manually deleting those movies which iPhoto should have deleted long ago, I freed 500 MB of disk space. The process for images will be more tedious, and I hope someone finds a quicker way to perform this function. Good luck. --Tom

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Barry
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