IPhoto organization

I'm wondering how some other users with lots of photos organize them in iPhoto. I've been struggling with finding the right way for me for a while now and am debating if iPhoto is for me or not. I'm used to and enjoy the 'Windows' way of sorting by having multiple folders (main 'subject'>sub folders for specifics) and using iPhoto's events and albums just don't quite fit for me. On the event side I don't want to have lots of events, for what I would consider 'sub' categories, shown in the events and at the same time, I don't want to have multiple category photos in one event AND don't really like using albums.
Example:
|-Trips
|---Bay
|-----Mountains
|-----Campground
|-Cars
|---Make
|-----Modifications
|-------specific event 1
|-------specific event 2
|---Make
If that makes any sense. I know there is no way to place events within events and most would suggest using albums but I don't like how the albums and events don't 'sync' with each other and I know that is the point. :P I currently have it setup so that all of my photos for a particular 'subject' are in one event and then separated into albums for the sub categories for that event. I prefer to browse by event rather than album and the only way I can set it up to sort that way would be by having LOTS of events...which I'm trying to avoid. I'm starting to think that iPhoto just isn't for me based on the way I want to organize but I like everything else about it, hence the struggle.
Message was edited by: MonkikiX

MonkikiX:
You can't exactly duplicate the nested folder system in iPhoto as each imported folder becomes a separate Event and folder within the iPhoto Library package. Events cannot be nested. However, iPhoto has virtual folders which can be used to recreate the nesting as seen in this screenshot:
These virtual folders can contain other folder as well as albums, slideshows, books, smart albums, etc. Albums can only contain photos.
TIP: For insurance against the iPhoto database corruption that many users have experienced I recommend making a backup copy of the Library6.iPhoto (iPhoto.Library for iPhoto 5 and earlier) database file and keep it current. If problems crop up where iPhoto suddenly can't see any photos or thinks there are no photos in the library, replacing the working Library6.iPhoto file with the backup will often get the library back. By keeping it current I mean backup after each import and/or any serious editing or work on books, slideshows, calendars, cards, etc. That insures that if a problem pops up and you do need to replace the database file, you'll retain all those efforts. It doesn't take long to make the backup and it's good insurance.
I've created an Automator workflow application (requires Tiger or later), iPhoto dB File Backup, that will copy the selected Library6.iPhoto file from your iPhoto Library folder to the Pictures folder, replacing any previous version of it. It's compatible with iPhoto 6 and 7 libraries and Tiger and Leopard. iPhoto does not have to be closed to run the application, just idle. You can download it at Toad's Cellar. Be sure to read the Read Me pdf file.
Note: There now an Automator backup application for iPhoto 5 that will work with Tiger or Leopard.

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