IPhoto - RAWs - PSE3

Well hey there, one problem solved another rears it's ugly head.
Now, what I would like to do is establish a decent raw workflow but first must figure out what to do with my library. It's a mixture of Jpeg and Raw files that I previously installed into iPhoto. Ideally I would like to remove just the Raws (easily identifiable) and send them through a 3rd party converter (C1Le) > PSE3 if required > save Jpegs to iPhoto. Is there an easy way to do this without deleting all Raws currently (I do have backups) and sending iPhoto nuts? I believe OSX does not have the facility to have converted them in the first place and as such don't want to end up with dublicates but retrospectivly use my own converter. Point is, I don't want to end up with a corrupted modified folder as they will all be reimported after adjustments. Would I be better of to just delete them, import into C1Le through my backup CD > convert > PSE3 > back into iPhoto as a fresh Jpeg.
Once this is achieved, I will probably just have a dedicated folder sitting on the desktop where all raws can be stored (using image capture) to await import into a raw converter. But for know............
Thanks all.
PS Of course, Aperture would be ideal for what I want to do but we can't afford it and my wife really likes iPhotos integration with other apps. Besides, who knows at what speed it will run at on a X600XT !!!!!!!!!!?

argento:
I don't use RAW but are they stored in the Originals folder like the original jpgs are? If so, just copy the Originals folder to the desktop and run your conversion software on the RAW's there. If there are jpgs in there also you can remove them via the Finder before running the convertor. Then delete the raw files from within iPhoto and import the converted jpg versions from the Desktop.
Do you Twango?
TIP: For insurance against the iPhoto database corruption that many users have experienced I recommend making a backup copy of the Library6.iPhoto database file and keep it current. If problems crop up where iPhoto suddenly can't see any photos or thinks there are no photos in the library, replacing the working Library6.iPhoto file with the backup will often get the library back. By keeping it current I mean backup after each import and/or any serious editing or work on books, slideshows, calendars, cards, etc. That insures that if a problem pops up and you do need to replace the database file, you'll retain all those efforts. It doesn't take long to make the backup and it's good insurance.

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