Iphoto vs. aperture keywording search

I'm currently making the switch to aperture. In iphoto, when you have photos tagged with people like "larry" and "bob" and want to find photos with both of them, you can search "larry bob". This will show all photos with both of them in it.
I can't seem to do the same kind of search in aperture. whenever i search "larry bob" nothing comes up even though they are keyworded. I know you can make a smart album with keywords but that will give me every photo with "larry" and "bob". How can I just search for photos with them both.

Rather than use the search field you need to use the search HUD which has loads of extra options.
Click on the magnifier button to the left of the search field.
In the keywords section check the keywords you want to search for.
Make sure the drop-down menu at the top of the keywords section says something like 'all of the following' (the wording is different between A1.5 and A2).
Ian

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Iphoto to Aperture: keywords from iPhoto to Faces in Aperture?

My 10k photo's in iPhoto were keyworded by peoples names...Is there any way to bulk "name" these keyworded photo's in faces in Aperture. I can group all the photo's together, but I can't figure out how to bulk name them. Please tell me there is an easy way of doing this! My kids all look the same- I can barely tell them apart, so Faces definitely can't!

iPhoto to Aperture:
In Aperture use the File -> Import -> iPhoto Library
File -> Import -> Show iPhoto Browser
Use the first to get the entire Library, the second to get selected elements.
Aperture to iPhoto
Create an Export Preset in Aperture and be sure to include the metadata. Export from Aperture to the Finder, import into iPhoto.
You can, of course, access your Aperture Previews with the File -> Show Aperture Library command, but this doesn't get the metadata.
As you can see there is considerable work gone into the notion of migrating from iPhoto to Aperture. There is no work going the other way. Little thought has been given to using both together, as it doesn't make a lot of sense to.
Regards
TD

Aperture 3: search child keywords only ?

Hi all,
Since a few days I am using Aperture on my iPhoto11 library. That library already had a lot of keywords, which I now have organized in Aperture using the hierarchical keyword feature. Now I would like to remove the keywords that have become parent keywords from the images (they were put there by an iPhoto plug-in) in order to keep only the lowest level keywords physically assigned to the photo's.
My idea was to do a keyword search on any of the parent keywords and then remove these keywords from the selected photo's. Unfortunately searching on a parent keyword also selects photos that do not physically have that keyword assigned to them but have it assigned implicitely because of the hierarchical structure.
Suppose I would have the following keyword hierachy:
Nature
     Fauna
          Bird
               Duck
I would like "Duck" to be the only keyword actually assigned to a photo. Because of my legacy iPhoto library many "Duck" pictures have the other keywords assigned to them as well. To remove them, I did a keyword search for "Nature", the idea being to then remove "Nature" from the selected photos. Unfortunately when I do this keyword search, it will also show pictures that do not actually hold the Nature keyword but have it implicitely assigned because it holds one or more of the child keywords.
What I would like is to show ONLY the images having the Nature keyword actually assigned to them. This option seems to be missing from the keywrod search dialogue, although the user manual suggests it would be possible, but in my opninion the user manual is wrong here. Under "Searching by Keyword" it states that the option "are applied" would show all images that have THE SELECTED keywords. This is not true: it will show all images that have ANY keyword applied. It is not even possible to select a keyword if you chose this option. All other options show the behaviour as described above.
So, does anybody know how I can select only images holding a particular keyword that is actually assigned to those images and ignore the hierachy ?

First, back-up your Library.
Second, repair your Library -- instructions are on the Apple Aperture Trouble-shooting page. You should, imho, _always_ repair your Library after every crash. (Force-quitting is a user-initiated crash.)
You should be able to batch assign and delete keywords without hanging your system. Changing keywords for ten-thousand Images may take several minutes, but it should never crash Aperture or your system. That problem should be addressed before you attempt to pare and clean your keyword tree.
What is your set-up? Aperture & OS versions, RAM, free space on system disk, location and size of Aperture Library, location and number of Referenced Originals, etc. Has it been stable in the past? Made any recent changes?
Third, confirm that your system runs Aperture well, and specifically that it runs your Library well.
Fourth -- strictly my personal suggestion -- adopt a keywording system that rigorously differentiates between "keywords as groups" and "keywords as tags". So instead of "Nature; Fauna; Bird; Duck" use something like "=Nature=; a.Fauna; a.Bird; DuckMallard" where keywords bracketed by "=" are top-level groups, keywords prefixed with "a." are _groups_ and -- this is the rigorous part -- don't ever assign any top-level or grouping keyword to an Image. Assign only "bottom-level" identifying keywords.
With such a system, "DuckMallard" and "DuckPinTailed" and "DuckCanvasBack" are assigned to Images as appropriate, and each Image so tagged will be included whenever you search for any of "=Nature=", "a.Fauna", or "a.Bird".
In this example, I suggest using the prefix "Duck" before all ducks so that when you sort an alpha list of keywords all your ducks are in a row. If, instead, you preferred to group your ducks, make a group called "a.Ducks" and then you wouldn't need the "Duck" before "Mallard", "Teal" etc. I found it helpful to include keywords such as "DuckUnknown" and "DuckGeneric" and "ID_Me"
Converting your current system to this system shouldn't be much work once you have your Library working well.
There are some refinements hidden in plain sight in Aperture's use of keywords, but let's make sure your Library is working first. On my machine, I can filter for, say, "Fauna". As you see, this will include both Images with "Fauna" assigned, and any Images with keywords that are children of "Fauna". I can still select all and remove "Fauna". The result is that none of the selected Images have "Fauna" assigned -- even though, if I filter for "Fauna" I will still be shown all the Images that have keywords that are children of "Fauna".
HTH,
--Kirby.

IPhoto Keyword Search Not Functioning Correctly

I'm finally getting around to organizing my 20,000+ photos in iPhoto. I am attaching keywords to the individual pictures and have noticed something very curious: When I go to iPhoto's search box and type in a keyword, often many pictures that are not tagged with that keyword are returned.
For example, I can type in the keyword "sign" and pictures from my wedding are returned as though they contain this keyword. I've double-checked the picture filenames, descriptions, faces, keywords, and places, and nowhere do I see the word "sign" associated with these photos. It happens with other keywords I enter into the search box, too. Totally unrelated photos - sometimes lots of them - are returned, rendering the whole process relatively ineffective.
Does anyone know why this is happening?
TIA for any assistance. I'm frustrated, having spent all this time associating keywords to my photos, only to have the keyword search option not effectively work for me!

I understand why the text search for sign brings up the Surround Sound Signs photos as it's just a text search.
Might be database corruption. Try this: make a temporary, backup copy (select the library and type Command+D) and apply the two fixes below in order as needed:
Fix #1
Launch iPhoto with the Command+Option keys held down and rebuild the library.
Since only one option can be run at a time start with Option #1, followed by #3 and then #4 as needed.
Fix #2
Using iPhoto Library Manager to Rebuild Your iPhoto Library
Download iPhoto Library Manager and launch.
Click on the Add Library button, navigate to your Home/Pictures folder and select your iPhoto Library folder.
Now that the library is listed in the left hand pane of iPLM, click on your library and go to the File ➙ Rebuild Library menu option
In the next window name the new library and select the location you want it to be placed.
Click on the Create button.
Note: This creates a new library based on the LIbraryData.xml file in the library and will recover Events, Albums, keywords, titles and comments but not books, calendars or slideshows. The original library will be left untouched for further attempts at fixing the problem or in case the rebuilt library is not satisfactory.

Aperture Keywords From iPhoto

1) I have imported my iPhoto Library
2) I realize that iPhoto keywords are distinct from apeture keywords and I need to select photos by keywords.
a) I have selected the old iphoto keyword via the smart setting library. The old photos appear. I then add new aperture keyword. (ie Sally Smith). This is easy.
b) Then I delete the old iPhoto keyword via the most annoying thing of creating the keyword (see previous posts). Then shift enter the keyword away (see previous posts).
c) HERE IS THE QUESTION. But it remains in the "not so" smart keyword library. Now I will have twice the number of keywords and have to remember which are old dead iPhoto keywords. I tried the plist trick (no luck). What do i do? Stay with iPhoto. This kind of *****.
j
Quad G5 with 30 inch Mac OS X (10.4.4) twin 500 gig drives

I suspect that Aperture writes the keywords to the images or their version copies. to get rid of the old iPhoto keywords, make sure that they're no longer in the Keyword HUD and then rebuild the Aperture database. this will probably remove unused keywords from the filter list.
while launching Aperture, press and hold option-command.

Migrating iPhoto keywords to Aperture Keywords

There seems to be a lot of confusion regarding iPhoto keywords in Aperture. Aperture seems to treat keywords imported from iPhoto differently to keywords assigned in Aperture. Does anyone know a way to get the iPhoto keywords to display in the Keyword HUD? I think once we've achieved that we could successfully migrate our keywords into Aperture, arrange them in hierarchies etc.
Would be good. Ideas?

You can add them manually to the Keyword HUD. Make a top-level keyword called "iPhoto" and put all the iPhoto keywords under it. You can then remove them and add them using the keyword buttons.

Iphoto keywords versus Aperture keywords

I was happy to succesfully import my iPhoto library. But surprised that the keywords were distinct from Aperture keywords. That is, I have a keyword "Birds" in iPhoto, but when I go and add the keyword "Birds" (by typing it in the box) to a new photo, I now have two keywords, "Birds" and "Birds (iphoto)" which are distinct. I want them to be the same. How do I do that?

As DaveyJ pointed out, the iPhoto keywords are in a sub-level.
Your best course of action (this will take a while) is to create a smart album and set it to show all images with one of the keywords in the iPhoto group/level.
Once Aperture shows you the applicable set of images, use the Keywords Control bar to add the non-iPhoto version of the keyword to all of the images; i.e., Select All, then click the keyword. With all of the images still selected, use the Keyboard Controls bar again and shift-click on the iPhoto version of the keyword. This will remove it from the selected images.
You could write an AppleScript to help with this process. I've been experimenting and it can be done. You would use a Smart Album to gather the iPhoto keyword images together and then run the script to remove the iPhoto keyword and add the non-iPhoto keyword.
Here's an example script (that works) to get you started:
tell application "Aperture"
-- set the target to the "Smart beetles" album at the top level of the library.
tell album "Smart beetles" of folder ""
-- get a list of the images in the album.
set x to every image version
-- move through the images one by one, deleting and creating the appropriate keywords
repeat with i from 1 to x's length
tell x's item i
-- Note. if the keyword is top level, then the parents value is "".
delete (every keyword whose name is "Australia" and parents is "Location")
make new keyword with properties {name:"Sydney", parents:"Location"}
end tell
end repeat
end tell
end tell
iMac Duo Core 2GHz 2GB Mac OS X (10.4.6)

Keyword search able web site with Mobile Me and Aperture?

Is it possible to add feature so photographers can upload keyword search able albums-websites with Mobile Me album using Aperture? Something like the Extensis Portfolio&NetPublish.

You will need a 3rd party web host to upload your websites to. Depending on the version of iWeb you are using you have a couple of publishing options:
iWeb '09 (3.0.4) you can publish to an FTP Server or a local folder. ( With the built in FTP in iWeb you will end up with an address like "www.YourDomain.com/sitename/Home.html )
iWeb '08 you can publish your website to a local folder
I have been using IX Webhosting for several years with little to no problems "usually the problem was something I did" and they have been quick to solve any issue I have come across. The have plans that start at $3.95 a mo (USD) and their customer service is top notch.
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Keyword search from Aperture to MobileMe?

Can you have the keyword search function on your MobileMe website if you have uploaded a gallery using Aperture 2.0?

I also want to add to what Mr Endo said...
A) It shouldn't be possible to select a folder and then have the option of publishing to Mobile Me, Facebook or Flickr. For me those are all grayed out when I have a folder selected in the sidebar.
B) Are you referring to a project or an album by chance? If so, then you will need to select the photos, in the Browser, before choosing to upload to an online service.
Cheers,
Owen

Aperture keywords and iPhoto and the iPod video error -50

A heads up for anyone who is moving photo's from Aperture to iPhoto. If you have use nested keywords in Aperture then you export to use in iPhoto ( since there is know iLife integration at this time)( also very poor on apples part ) you will get a error in iTunes -50 unknown error.
To fix this all you have to do is remove the offending keyword from iPhoto's master keywords list and you good to go. Wish it did not take me 2 full day to figure this out.

I actually did something similar. Except I dumped whole projects or split projects in two and then dumped one, until I was left with 1 project with only 1 image. Took a few hours but finally found one image who's caption seemed to be corrupt (had garbage character at the front). Once I deleted the caption (had to do it in GraphicConverter) it all worked. The photo was part of a set of photos that I had imported from iPhoto, so I definitely think it has something to do with Aperture's iPhoto import. So not quite the same issue as you, but I think probably related.

Restoring keywords that were deleted when moving from iPhoto to Aperture

I recently migrated from iPhoto to Aperture, and this apparently involves losing a TON of metadata. One new discovery I've made is that for my older photos (i.e., ones added and edited a few years ago when I was using an earlier version of iPhoto), the keywords have been deleted.
More specifically, if I have a photo and it has keyword X, then TWO copies appear in the Aperture library:
- the original image, with the keyword "iPhoto original" AND the keyword X
- the modified image, with only the keyword "iPhoto external edited"
(Note that I have not used any external editors; this is just how iPhoto seems to interpret images that were edited with older versions of iPhoto)
This is definitely buggy behavior.
This means that if I have a "best-of" keyword and I make a "Smart" album, it gets filled with original, unedited versions of my "best of" photos.
Is there any way to fix this without going one-by-one through THOUSANDS of older photos and manually copying the keywords from the original to the modified?
Thanks,
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Hope we get an answer - I'm in the same situation as you, though I just went from iPhoto to A2.x on an older G5 tower. I've been debating whether to take the time to go through them, reorganize "better" than they were under iPhoto or wait for a more elegant solution...
KWO

When I imported my photos from iPhoto to Aperture, I appear to have lost all my keywords. Can I retrieve them and, if so, how?

When I imported my photos from iPhoto to Aperture, I appear to have lost all my keywords. Can I retrieve them and, if so, how?

How did you import them?
Keywords are preserved if you use either the Import iPhoto Library or Show iPhoto Browser methods.
Regards
TD

Comparing counts after conversion: iPhoto to Aperture

Well, I just finished a major conversion from iPhoto to Aperture. 47,000 photos and videos in a 303 gigabyte iPhoto Library. It was a long and winding road, and I learned a lot about how to compare counts of photos and videos between iPhoto and Aperture. I hope this information helps someone spend a few less hours on the task than I had to.
After an iPhoto-Aperture library conversion, the first check you'll probably want to do, to confirm all went well, is to compare the number of photos and/or videos reported from each application. You'll probably compare the overall total, and/or the total for important subgroups (say, all photos keyworded "family".) Here are some things to be aware of:
- You can run iPhoto and Aperture at the same time, even if Aperture is referencing the photos in their iPhoto library locations. This can make various count comparisons easy. Sometimes though I found the apps suddenly bogged down, and I had to quit one of the two to recover (this was on a 4GB 2.93 GHz iMac).
- Whether your Aperture "stacks" are open or closed affects the photo count reported by Aperture. If you edit an original photo in iPhoto, in the end all you see is edited photo, the original is preserved but tucked away unseen. In terms of a photo count, you still have just one photo. When this photo is imported into Aperture, it comes in as a 2-photo stack (original & edited). If you stacks are closed, your counts should match; if your stacks are open, Aperture will be higher.
- Photos "hidden" in iPhoto come in as "rejects" in Aperture (i.e. a rating of "X" on a scale of X,1,2,3,4 or 5 stars). When the search box in Aperture says "Showing All," you are including the rejects in the count (that is, the count appearing at the bottom of the window in browser mode). If it says "Unrated or better," the rejects are not being counted. Make sure you are consistently including or excluding hidden/rejects when comparing numbers.
- Formats supported by iPhoto but not by Aperture. I have some old (pre-OS X) screenshots in PICT format. Viewable just fine in iPhoto, but they do not get imported into Aperture.
- Some video formats (in my case, MPEG1 Muxed) are imported into Aperture, but are not playable within Aperture, and do not show up if you filter on File Type = Video (that last part seems just plain wrong behavior).
- Every count I saw in Aperture included videos, even when the count was labeled "Photos" (e.g. "23,434 Photos"—you'll see this under Projects, if you group by folder)
- I did have a few items that were *just plain skipped*, with no error dialog, by the import. Scary. But in every case, there was evidence of a problem in iPhoto: I would see a fine thumbnail, but if I tried to open the photo or video, I'd see a gray exclamation point where the photo/video should appear. In every case I successfully found an valid original (in the iPhoto "Originals" folder) and moved it manually into Aperture. Problem is, are you going to try and view every photo you have in iPhoto, checking for exclamation points? I tracked my missing photos/videos down by painstakingly comparing counts in matching slices of time (say, August 2006) in iPhoto and Aperture. When I narrowed a count discrepancy to a set of 100 pics or so, I compared thumbnails between the 2 apps until I found the item missing from Aperture. Not fun.
I hope this helps somebody. Now that I've made the switch, I have a love-hate relationship with Aperture. Mostly love. But that is a separate post. Aperture is also my first Pro app from Apple, and iPhoto and Aperture make a fascinating case study in contrasting user interface design (freedom from choice vs. options galore). Also a topic for another post.
Mike M

Hey, thanks for the comprehensive post. It helped me quite a bit and probably saved me a lot of time; I'm sure it did the same to a lot of people who didn't have an account here as well.

Merged iPhoto and Aperture Libraries - Faces Didn't Transfer

I merged my iPhoto library into my Aperture library and non of the Faces or Keywords from my iPhoto library transfered.
Any suggestions?
(There was an error when I merged the two and it said it had to repair the database when Aperture reopened. Should I try to merge the two again?)
Thanks!

I have a similar problem with my Aperture library after the 3.3.2 update, see:
Re: Aperture 3.3.2 Update: All faces are gone from my main Aperture library
Repair Library did not help; What brought the faces back for me was to rebuild the Aperture library, not repair. But before you try a rebuild, back up the Aperture library and test, if the backup is in working condition.
After rebuilding, Aperture may hang, when rebuilding the faces.db. Give it plenty of time to finish, best over night. If you have to force quit, you will need to run a repair afterwards.
As to missing keywords - my keywords were still there, but the keywords HUD stopped working - the keywords were not found, when being entered into the search field. This was solved after rebuilding.
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Regards
Léonie

IPhoto or Aperture--Which work-flow?

I have several thousand digital pics and some small video clips that need to be cataloged and managed in some type of database. I have some experience with: iPhoto, iViewMedia Pro and Aperture. I have use those applications; yet, I don't have enough current experience to help me to understand the best work-flow... I'm leaning toward the use of iPhoto and Aperture.
I need to accomplish the following:
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-Keywords and other meta-data in use...
-A flexible workflow that allows me to have the most options available as the images are repurposed...
-Maximum protection of this media...
-Do not want to ever lose the integrity of the original images...
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I was thinking that I would need to use at least two applications... for example, I could possible use Aperture as the first stop and main repository of ALL digital media and dump things to iPhoto as needed for special iPhoto features that are not available in something like Aperture. Any, ideas on proven work-flows?
Also, I need to make other decsions:
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-If nothing has been imported, what workflow do you suggest? At the moment, I do not require the features of Aperture (but I would like to begin using it very soon), so I could start using iPhoto 6. I have some ideas yet I would rather not load the question... What do you recommend?
As I write this, I'm thinking that I should toss everything into iPhoto with the idea that something is better than nothing. However, I wanted to internalize a game-plan or work-flow that I could hang my hat on and not have to think about this so much--ideas?
Thanks,
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Robert:
You might want to look at The DAM Book by by Peter Krogh. It's essentially the bible among professional photographers for managing image files. It can answer you questions.
For me here's my workflow (I use both iView MediaPro and iPhoto):
1 - upload each shoot immediately to a folder on the desktop.
2 - date and name that folder: 01/30/07-Disneyland trip
3 - put that folder in with my other source folder and import into iView.
4 - batch rename those files with the international date format and brief description: 2007-01-30-Disneyland trip-001.jpg, -002.jpg, etc.
5 - import that folder into iPhoto giving me a roll with same name as the folder and file names that will sort and search chronologically.
Do you Twango?
TIP: For insurance against the iPhoto database corruption that many users have experienced I recommend making a backup copy of the Library6.iPhoto database file and keep it current. If problems crop up where iPhoto suddenly can't see any photos or thinks there are no photos in the library, replacing the working Library6.iPhoto file with the backup will often get the library back. By keeping it current I mean backup after each import and/or any serious editing or work on books, slideshows, calendars, cards, etc. That insures that if a problem pops up and you do need to replace the database file, you'll retain all those efforts. It doesn't take long to make the backup and it's good insurance.
I've written an Automator workflow application (requires Tiger), iPhoto dB File Backup, that will copy the selected Library6.iPhoto file from your iPhoto Library folder to the Pictures folder, replacing any previous version of it. You can download it at Toad's Cellar. Be sure to read the Read Me pdf file.

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