IPhoto vs Aperture library sizes

I installed the Aperture tral, left the photos in iPhoto and created a book. Didnt add any new pictures to either library. I then deleted the trial and purchased Aperture from the app store. Copied over the photos from iPhoto. iPhoto had 1 book and Aperture 1 book. The iPhoto library size is 110Gb and the Aperture library size is 90Gb, a 20Gb difference. It appears that all my photos are in both libraries. So no issues. I was surprised and the 20Gb diffeerence. Comments or thoughts if there is an issue pending that I may not be aware of.

Hve you synced with an iPod, ipad or iPhone? The cache for these devices can easily account for that amount of disk space.
Regards
TD

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Reducing Aperture Library size

Sorry if this has been dealt with before (I did a search and found nowt).
I'm fairly new to Aperture, and my Library has grown to 14GB (14,000 files). All files are referenced on an external drive (31GB of referenced files). I use a MacBook Air with SSD, so I start with 56GB after formatting. There were lots of duplicate photos (because I merged my iPhoto library with some offline archives I had). So, it was time to get rid of the dupes.
I deleted about 3,000 photos, but the library didn't get any smaller. I deleted all of the previews, but that only freed up 2GB. When I regenerated the previews, it went back to 14GB. After recovering from a prolonged bout of consternation, I searched the web. It appears that thumbnails are not deleted when photos are removed. This strikes me as a bug, or at the very least, poor design. So, I went in and removed all of the thumbnails as described here:
http://brettgrossphotography.com/2008/04/24/aperture-library-slimming-the-size
After regenerating thumbnails and previews, my library was down to 6GB!
My question is: how do people on this forum deal with this unnecessary library bloat? I typically only keep a few percent of the photos from each import, so my library volume will again outpace the actual number of photos.
One possible approach is to create a new Aperture library from a vault. Because my files are referenced, it should create a new library from scratch and then generate the thumbnails and previews. Has anyone tried that? Seems preferable to opening packages and manually deleting files.
-Rick

After a weekend of investigation, here's some more info on Aperture library size:
1) I deleted another 1,000 or so photos, updated the vault, moved the library and then restored from the vault. The library size went from 6GB up to 7GB!
2) Looking inside the old library and the restored one revealed:
a) AP.Thumbnails files in the restored library were generally twice the size of the ones in the old one.
b) Looking at the AP.Thumbnails files with File Juicer revealed that the restored library had created thumbnails of the master files as well as the versions. The original library had thumbnails for some master/version pairs, but nowhere near as many.
3) I then deleted all of the AP.* files in the restored library, and got Aperture to regenerate the thumbnails. This reduced the library size to 5GB. The AP.Thumbnails files were much smaller.
So, my conclusion is that the best way to trim your library is to go in and delete all of the AP.* files, then regenerate the thumbnails. Restoring from a vault is not as effective.
Anyone have any intuitions as to why Aperture generates thumbnails for master files when there is an edited version? I'm fairly new to Aperture and have yet to see Aperture display thumbnails of masters if there is an edited version.

HT204414 How to import both iPhoto and Aperture library to iCloud Photo Library (Photos app)

Hi all,
Based on the article here (Designate a System Photo Library in Photos - Apple Support) has anyone tried to bring both an iPhoto and Aperture library into iCloud Photo Library so that both libraries are available as one in iCloud and form the one Photos app library rather than being seen as separate libraries. I don't want the two separated as I have 200GB's of space in iCloud which is plenty to hold the two's collective space of about 40GB's.
It seems as though the procedure is pretty simple.
First of all set one of your libraries as the System Photo Library, this will happen naturally with setting up Photos app for the first time. I chose iPhoto as the original library.
Let this library upload all it's photo's to iCloud over a few minutes, hours, days etc.
When finished, enter your other library by closing Photos app and reopening while holding down the Option key (usually Alt). In this case I now opened the Aperture library that it had found.
Under Preferences > iCloud set this library as the System Photo Library and in turn it will have the ability to upload to iCloud.
When it's finished I suppose you will have both iPhoto AND Aperture pictures in the one iCloud Photo Library.
At least I hope the above makes sense.
Anybody already tried this with good / bad results, let us know here.

found it here - 'If you designate a new library as the System Photo Library and then turn on iCloud Photo Library, the photos and videos in the new library will merge with those already in your iCloud Photo Library. If you want to keep the contents of your photo libraries separate, don’t turn on iCloud Photo Library for more than one library in Photos.'
That bit seems clear. You can merge photos from different libraries by making them 'designated' first .
BUT this means that Photos app only shows you library A , or library B, depending on which one you have opened , but Icloud library contains photos from Both library A and library B .
is this correct ?
and if so, does it not get a but confusing ?!?

Aperture library size vs iphoto

My aperture library and iphoto library have the same photos in them. Photos seem to be the same size and quality (I imported all photos from aperture into iPhoto). iPhoto's library is 20GB, Aperture is nearly 60. I'm guessing that while Aperture might be a hair bigger because of the previews (default settings there), 3x the size means something is wrong.
Is there a way to rebuild the Aperture library without losing all my albums/libraries?
While 60GB isn't the end of the world, I'm trying to move my photos to my laptop. And between photos and music, I'm really pushing my hard drive's capacity. That 40GB difference is going to mean I'll use iPhoto (09) vs Aperture (2), and I'm still partial to Aperture.
Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
Message was edited by: unleashed

Thanks everyone for their help. Redoing the previews helped. I think I had the previews set to "do not limit" on my dekstop and had just pulled the aperture library to my laptop. Redoing those previews took 20GB off my library size.
I see where you're coming from with the referenced images, but for now, it just keeps things simpler for my to keep it all managed. It's a brilliant solution though, if I need to in the future I might go that route. Especially when you think about possibilities with having the referenced images on Time Capsule or something. I don't take that many photos, and I upgrade my computer every year or two. I'm hoping the laptop hard drive space will expand gradually with my photo and music library, and by the time I have to worry about it, there will be another solution.
As far as how I went from Aperture to iPhoto (Ernie), I did (from iPhoto) file > show aperture library > then pulled them all in. I know there are issues with this though, you might check the iPhoto forum if you have trouble, there are work-arounds I believe.

Aperture library size vs iphoto size

Good Morning. I imported my iphoto library to aperture and plan to dump the iphoto library. There is a significant size difference in the two libraries so I am worried that the aperture library didn't import something although all my photos appear to be there. The iPhoto library is 168 gb but the aperture library is 120gb. Is there something different about aperture that makes it a more efficient storage space? Thanks Dave

Terence,
When I originally imported iPhoto into Aperture I selected the leave in original location. If I want to make Aperture stand alone now, all I have to do is consolidate the masters correct? After, which I could delete the iPhoto library, or should I just leave things as they are and not worry that the iPhoto library holds the masters? Seems like this is just a user preference as I have not seen anything state one way is better than the other.
Thanks

IPhoto to Aperture Library Transfer Oddity

Or maybe I should have just said iPhoto Library oddity, since Aperture seems fine, and in the end, seems to have done what it should have.
Let me explain:
A few weekends ago, I started to transfer my entire iPhoto library from iPhoto v7.x (current version) to my Aperture v2 library. I started my iPhoto library over three years ago, using iPhoto v5 and OS X 10.4, later upgrading to iPhoto v6 via iLife ’06 in mid 2006, and finally iPhoto v7 via iLife ’08 last Fall. I then upgraded to Leopard and Aperture v2 this past Spring.
After transferring some 46,000 photos (with most being RAW + Jpeg pairs) from iPhoto to Aperture, I noticed that a there were a large number (approximately 1,800) of stacked photos were one photo was an iPhoto Original RAW photo, and the other was an iPhoto Edited RAW photo. The curious thing is, I didn't edit all of those RAW files in iPhoto, I only edited a select few dozen of them. It should be noted that all of the edited and original Jpegs pairs were also stacked, and the orientation of all of them looked fine.
As it turned out, all of these mysteriously edited photos were shot as verticals, none were horizontals. And when looking at the unstacked pair, the edited photo was properly rotated, but the Original iPhoto RAW photo was not, despite having its orientation listed as portrait. When I rotated an Original iPhoto RAW photo to correct it, the orientation was changed to landscape, even though the photo was displayed in portrait mode.
Upon further digging, it seems that all of the vertical photos that were imported into iPhoto v5 were affected, as were some of the vertical photos that were imported by iPhoto 6, but none of the photos imported be iPhoto v7. I don't remember the exact dates that I imported them and when I upgraded iPhoto, but the timeline seems close.
I also noticed recently when using iPhoto that the info display panel listed some of the RAW photos as “Jpeg (From Nikon RAW)”. I have not spot checked these files yet, but I suspect that these are the photos that resulted the creation of the Original & Edited iPhoto stacked pair in Aperture.
I do realize that iPhoto converts RAW files to Jpegs if you edit them, and I would expect that it does not when you don’t edit them. However, it would appear that iPhoto v5 always did when it rotated them, iPhoto v6 did some times, and iPhoto v7 doesn't.
I’m puzzled as to how these RAW files got edited in the first place.
I can only guess that it happened as either:
1) The result rebuilding the cache at some point, or
2) Possible as a result of a conversion process for the iPhoto updates, or
3) How iPhoto handled RAW files, particularity with iPhoto v5.
But as to why these particular files were affected, and most of the vertical shots were OK, I don't know. Any Ideas?
As for the iPhoto edited RAW photos, I plan to delete them since there doesn't seem to be a point in keeping them, because I have the original RAW file, and the original and edited Jpeg versions. They were easy to find using keyword and Aperture excellent filtering tool.
Incidently, I've also had some problems with the "Black Frames" problem and also the "Unsupported File Format" error with photos that were directly imported into Aperture. I hope that my photos are not corrupted.
Other than that, I'm really liking Aperture2 a lot!

My iPhoto library shrunk drastically when I switched to Aperture, from around 13.8GB it dropped to 9GB. I was worried at first but everything appears to have showed up.
The only things that I can attribute it to is the fact that when an image is imported into iPhoto with auto rotate data, the image is duplicated before it is rotated in Aperture it is not.
iPhoto duplicates the image on virtually every modification.
My iPod photo cache was quite large as well, but Aperture does not import this.
Videos you may have in iPhoto will not be imported into Aperture.
I also get the feeling that preview and tumbnail data is more optimized in Aperture.
If you are unsure backup your iPhoto library to an external drive as a read-only disk image, then if you find any problems with your photos in Aperture you can go to the disk image and get them.

Import both libs, iphoto and aperture library

Hello,
how can i import all my photos from the aperture and the iphoto library and join them together in the new Photos app without trouble (without double photos)?
Thanks

By first merging the iPhoto and Aperture Libraries, then deleting any duplicates, then migrating to Photos.

IPhoto "Show Aperture Library" misses some images

I am running Aperture 2 and iPhoto 09. When I access the "Show Aperture Library" menu in iPhoto to import Aperture images it does not show images that were scanned in from my Canon MX860 scanner. They are in JPEG format. They show like any other image when I am in Aperture. This problem does not exist with images taken with a digital camera. I don't know why a scanner's JPEG image would be any different.
Is there a way to correct this? (I realize I can export images from Aperture to the Desktop and then drag-and-drop to iPhoto as a workaround.)
Thanks for your help.

Make sure the scanned images do not have a Grayscale color profile but an RGB or sRGB color profile. iPhoto works with these but does not support the Grayscale profiles. If the photos do have a grayscale profile, you can change that in Preview or any other photo editor that allows you to change the color profile of a photo.

Question about Aperture library size

I am storing my photos on a secondary drive. However, my Aperture library is just as large as the original source folder even though I am not copying the images into the library.
Shouldn't the library be smaller since it only references the images from another location?

If you changed the size and quality of your preview settings, it's not enough to just "Update Previews". You will have to DELETE the old previews and generate new ones.
(That's what my findings where)
To my understanding, previews are used
- if you use the Aperture "Quick Previews" functionality
- for synching with your e.g. iPhone
- in the Media browser dialog of e.g. iWork applications
(am I correct and complete?)
In my first days of Aperture 2 I increased the size to unlimited and the quality to 12, since "of course" I wanted to see the best possible quality of my pictures.
Now I learned that previews are not used in normal Aperture workflows, so I reduced the size to the lowest possible value of 1280 and the quality to 12.
This way I reduced the size of my library (30k JPEG photos, all referenced) from 108 GB to 33 GB.

Aperture Library size different after restore from TM and rebuild Thumbnails

I have just completed an erase-install-migrate from Time Machine using Setup Assistant.
The size of the managed Aperture Library originally was 397.8Gb
After completion of the migrate back in I opened Aperture and as expected it rebuilt the thumbnails (TM does not backup the Thumbnails).
After doing this I tested the Library as far as possible and all seems well, and the number of photos is exactly the same as before (49,883).
However, the size of the library is now 357.8 Gb.
The only logical explanation (to me) is that the restore process has eliminated previews and thumbnails from photos which I have deleted over the years.
I still have a backup of the original (397.8Gb) version which I could put back with the Finder, but if the restored library has cleared years of redundant previews and thumbnails I would prefer to stay with that.
All done with Mavericks and Aperture 3.5.
Any insights very welcome.
Thanks

Just had the idea of looking at sizes in the Library package contents, and the explanation for the change in size is due to three things:
Thumbnails old: 44.95 Gb
Thumbnails new: 15.13 Gb
There is also an iPod photocache of 14.6 Gb which is not yet present in the new.
However Previews old was 27.95 Gb and Previews new is 33.18 Gb, so I assume some previews were smaller in the original Library.
Masters is 304.3 Gb in the original and new libraries.
I am beginning to feel more confident about the new library.

Aperture library size 0

My aperture library is obviously corrupted. In the finder, it shows up with size 0 bytes. However, something seems to be there because the finder becomes very slow when browsing to the containing directory and it takes Aperture several minutes to show an error message when I try to open it. Showing the package content does not work, either. Any suggestions what I could do (apart from restoring a backup)? I did nothing special to the library, so I assume an Aperture crash might be the reason for the damage.

Ack.
Too much time with the voodoo that is Photoshop optimization has infected people. Thankfully, Apple's applications don't need the same micro-management; which really for Adobe's application serves nothing more than employing people who defend their unnecessarily complicated products.
Seriously, the difference between block sizes will make like 1 ns of difference in loading an image. You're not going to notice a difference, speed wise.
Leave the block size at its default, is my recommendation.

Aperture Library Size slowing iMac even when Aperture is closed

I recently purchased an iMac 22 quad core running Lion, with all updates. It currently has 12GB of Ram, and 190GB free on the hard drive.
The iMac would load programs like Outlook within a few seconds and was very fast.
I purchased Aperture and migrated about 38,000 images, using the exisitng file structure from my PC. This took about 12 hours yo process, update images, etc...
Even if Aperture is closed, all programs now load much more slowly. Outlook can take 20-30 seconds to open, and lists of email and contacts now take as much as a minute to load.
This is only true for the user account with the Aperture library, as programs for other users seems to work fine.
I tried running disk utilities, restarting machine, but no difference.
Activity monitor shows no unusual memory, CPU or disk activity.
I started a new user account, and all worked fine again...until I again created an aperture library, and again, even if Aperture is not started, everyting else runs slowly.
Is there a file indexing feature that is overwhelmed by the addition of a large aperture library? (Deleting the Aperture library doe snot solve the problem-only startign a new user accountdoes).

dphughes wrote:
...in both cases maintaining referenced files stored outside the catalog/library. The Aperture library is 500% the size of the Lightroom catalog - even with restricted preview sizes and no vault.
If this is true, there must be a logical explanation that is giving Aperture users some benefit for the increased Library size. Sorry been a long time since I looked at Lightroom. Does it store the same size previews and thumbnails as Aperture? Since you are using referenced files and Aperture is using non-destructive edits and even new versions do not create duplicate files (only a new set of pointers to the referenced masters), one would think previews and thumbnails must be handled differently. Since you use both, what could it be?
The Aperture Vault is a separate library than the Aperture Library so having a Vault of course should not impact the size of the Aperture Library.

Iphoto and aperture library file folder problem

Hi all,
I have a problem.
I want to have aperture and iphoto folders organized as itunes files fiolder. is possible?
I see in my aperure library that master folder (I have selected the option copy files in library) there are many and many date folder (many of them are empty) and I don't like this method of organization.
if I don't check the option to copy files and keep my database with only thumb, I have the problem that if I modify or delete a photo the original remain untouched.
please there are solutions?
davide

"(where?)"
Where you specify. Please see section 6 on this page (the User Manual is slightly out-of-date -- substitute "Original" for "Master"):
Choose a location for the imported files by doing one of the following:
To store imported masters in the Aperture library: Choose “In the Aperture Library” from the Store Files pop-up menu.
To store imported masters as referenced image files, audio files, or video files in their current location: Choose “In their current location” from the Store Files pop-up menu.
To store imported masters as referenced image files, audio files, or video files in the Pictures folder on your hard disk: Choose Pictures from the Store Files pop-up menu, and then choose whether you want the files moved or copied to the Pictures folder by clicking the “Move files” or “Copy files” button.
To store imported masters as referenced image files, audio files, or video files in a location other than the Pictures folder: Choose “Choose” from the Store Files pop-up menu and select a folder. In the dialog that appears, choose a location to store the imported masters, then click Open. Choose Project Name from the Subfolders pop-up menu to specify that the files be stored in a folder with the same name as the project. Choose whether you want the image files moved or copied to the new location by clicking the “Move files” or “Copy files” button.
" (are you sure? I don't find this option)"
I'm pretty sure. From
Deleting Images from the Browser
If you delete the last version in a version stack, Aperture asks whether you want to delete the master. If you confirm that you want to delete the master, the master is moved to the Aperture Trash.
When an image is represented in the Browser by a single version, you can select the version and delete it, and the corresponding master is deleted as well.
When you empty the Aperture Trash you should get a dialog box similar to this one. Note the field with the check box:
(Screenshot)

Vault size vs APerture library size and related questions

My aperture library is 50GB for some 65,000 referenced pictures...how does this compare with others? To me, it seems a bit big.
Also odd. The vault backup of my libarary is 9.1GB ONLY! How come?
I think that all of my pictures are referenced.....is there an easy way to check?
If I make a new fresh library and restore from the vault, what will I loose, if anything? Will I need to reconnect pictures or anything?

that seems about right to me. what's taking up space are previews and thumbnails. afaik, the vault doesn't hold any of those, only the database, albums, projects and configuration files.
if you restore from a vault, all the previews and thumbnails have to be rebuilt. you can save a little space that way, because the thumbnail files don't shrink when you erase photos or move them to another project, but personally i don't think it's worth the time and effort.
j

Aperture library size

HI all,
Can someone explain to me why after importing a 139Gb iphoto library into Aperture, the Aperture librbary file is 250Gb?
If I look at the 2 database they both have the same amount of originals and versions.
Is there any great advantage importing the iphoto library over just having Aperture open it as is?
thanks in advance.

and do I really need an aperture database if aperture can use the iphoto library database?
If you do not have any other libraries, that you would want to unite with your iPhoto libary, there is no need to convert the library by importing. The format is compatible.
iphoto previews folder (1.82 Gb)
aperture previews folder (123.3 Gb)
how do I reduce the size of the previews folder?
How many image versions do you have? That is an amazing difference in size!
You change the size of the "Previews" in the Aperture Preferences, the "Previews" tab. Generally it is recommended to set the pixel size of the previews to the screensize of your largest display and to pick a good quality setting. Compare the settings in the Preferences panel with your screensize.
After you changed the settigs for the Preview size and quality, delete the previews and update them.
To delete the previews select your images in the Browser, ctrl click, and use the command "Delete previews". Then check, if now the size size of the Previews folder is smaller.
Then create new previews by using the command "Update Preview". If that is not available, hold down the options-key and select "Generate Preview".
Regards
Léonie

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