Is Aperture a viable alternative to Photoshop Elements?

I've been using Photoshop elements (3 and 4) for some time, but updates are so unreliable and rare that it crashes intermittently with each OS update. Is Aperture a viable alternative? If not, what other application are out there for working on and changing photos? In my experience most Mac applications from commercial enterprises are less reliable than shareware products in general...
Thanks for suggestions to get away from Adobe...

there are a plethora of alternatives to photoshop, some well-known, others not so much ...
gimp -> http://www.gimp.org/
dxo -> http://www.dxo.com/
lightzone -> http://www.lightcrafts.com/products/
corel -> http://www.corel.com/servlet/Satellite/us/en/Product/1184951547051
just a few off the top of my head ...
i personally use photoshop cs3, IF a picture needs more than i can do in aperture, which is maybe, just maybe, less than 5% of all images these days ... using a few plugins mainly, noise ninja and alien skin's exposure ...

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Aperture 2.0 vs. Photoshop Elements 4/6

I hope this is the right place to ask this. I'm getting a Mac soon to do photo organization and editing. I have a Nikon D200 and I use Photoshop Elements 5.0 on Windows right now. I need basic photo editing, tagging, and organization capability. I currently upload to Flickr, but I would also consider .Mac. Is Aperture 2 a better choice than the soon to be released Photoshop Elements 6? I know it's tough to compare to a product that's not yet released, but any comparisons (even to iPhoto) would be useful. Thanks.

actually this might have been a better place to ask ...
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1394869&tstart=0
SierraDragon (Allen) does a great job on this topic ...

Viable Replacement for Photoshop Elements

I have really given up on Photoshop Elements 8. It lacks proper integration with Photoshop CS3 which is a major showstopper for me.
I have 5 years and 1000's of photos invested: tagged, version sets, stacks, albums, collections,....
My alternative is to go back to PSE 6.0 which is where I migrated from but not my optimal choice.
Any album organizer software on the market that can provide a smooth transition from Photoshop Elements. Mainly concerned about tags and version sets to be carried over.
Thank You.

The only thing that can read your PSE 6 catalog as is would be lightroom (it can't read your PSE 8 catalog). Otherwise, you can write tags to files, as long as they aren't raw files, but there is no other program that can import a PSE catalog.
I don't know if even lightroom can understand your version sets as version sets, though.

Image files exported from Aperture do not arrive at Photoshop Elements 11

In Aperture preferences, I have nominated PSE 11 as an external editor.
When I try to send an image, I get the Adobe start-up window (even though PSE 11
is already open), but the image from Aperture does not arrive.
Can anyone suggest what I need to do, please?

The odds are that you are using the wrong file as the external editor. You want this one:
The easily visible file is the welcome screen alias.

Aperature 2.0 versus Photoshop Elements 6.0

I'm new to the forum and a new Mac user (Mac Pro as of 1/2008). I'm still running PSE 6.0 on a Win XP machine but planned to switch to the Mac as soon as I receive my PSE 6 for Mac from Adobe. (They swapped out my Windows version under their platform change program. I paid $5 for shipping. It is supposed to be on its way within a few days though it isn't available at retail yet, as far as I know.)
I've been using PSE on PC since V1 and primarily use it for organization and what is probably considered relatively simple editing. I shoot with a Nikon D80 and have roughly 3,000 images cataloged and tagged in PSE. I was hoping that PSE 6 for mac would be able to read that catalog so I wouldn't need to reorganize everything. We'll see.
Now I see Aperature 2.0 is out. Does anyone know if this is a viable alternative to Photoshop Elements (even though we haven't seen the Mac version of 6)? I use Final Cut Express 4 for video and would assume there'd be better integration there. As I mentioned my editing isn't over the top and it looks like Aperature 2.0 has some editing capabilities.
For instance, I just finished some basic edits on about 50 portraits I took of cast and crew for my daughter's high school musical. In PSE 6 (for PC) I removed about a thousand zits, whitened teeth, removed some lunch from between teeth, softened skin for the girls, etc. I like working with layers.
So...Since I don't need to "buy" PSE 6 for the Mac, is it worth spending $200 to buy Aperature 2.0? Obviously, I only want to reorganize my photos once and as I migrate to Mac, this is the time to switch, if at all.
Thanks.

You need both apps: PSE and AP are totally different, not comparable apps. PSE is a necessary app for the edits you describe. Aperture on a strong MacIntel is a killer app for DSLR images management and organization.
Yes Aperture is well worth the $200, but not as a replacement for PSE (although 98% of images are fully dealt with in AP without entering PSE). Once you learn Aperture your DSLR world will be very much improved. The ability to review/manage images really, really quickly is very likely to actually improve your DSLR photography.
You should have at least 4 GB RAM in your MP before running an Aperture trial (IMO MPs in general deserve 8+ GB RAM). Aperture also takes good advantage of advanced graphics cards, so after you are hooked on Aperture you will want to add an 8800GT card. Your Macbook Pro will also run Aperture decently if you max out the RAM (Apple allows one AP license to run legally on both a desktop and laptop).
IMO all DSLR photogs with adequate computer hardware should own Aperture. Working the tutorial below will demonstrate how Aperture absolutely rocks for DSLR photogs.
I strongly recommend that every DSLR photog with adequate computer hardware first spend $33 and work through the tutorial CD Apple Pro Training Series: Aperture 1.5 (Apple Pro Training) by Orlando Luna and Ben Long (Paperback - Oct 18, 2006). Note that the value is in the tutorial, not in using the book as a manual.
IMO a cursory examination of Aperture usually turns out to be mostly a waste of time, or leads to bad workflow habits or folks simply do not get it. Carefully working the tutorial is by far the best way to learn this new killer app category.
The tutorial is for v1.5, so there will be differences from v2, but IMO it is still a necessary $30 prerequisite to Aperture trial.
-Allen Wicks
P.S. For now I would leave your existing images where they are. Just use AP for the trial and for all new images. Six months from now you can consider if/how you may want to import your old pix into your Aperture Library.

Problem with editing Aperture photos with Photoshop Elements 10

When I try to edit with Photoshop Elements 10, Aperture makes a tiff file, starts Photoshop Elements 10 and get to a screen where I have a choice between "editing" or "managing" files. I select editing but when i finally get the editing screen there is no photo to edit. Process worked fine in Elements 9 and Aperture 3.1. Anybody been able to roundtrip with Aperture 3.2.1 and Photoshop Elements 10?

(Aperture 3 and PSE 10; Lion; using Referenced files in Aperture)
I tried Barbara's recommended method and PSE now opens with the image displayed and accepts edits. However, when I save the adjusted image, what I get in Aperture is a TIFF file of that name but with no edits displayed.
When I go to the directory in which the referenced files are located, the adjusted file exists and I can view it.
So, (at least as I have things configured), when accessing PSE from Aperture I am able to make adjustments and save the adjusted file, but the adjusted file does not display in Aperture.
Is anyone having success with Barbara's method using referenced files?
I hope it is not necessary to do a separate import to get the adjusted file to display in Aperture - which would make PSE totally impractical for use.
Thanks in advance for any help.

Photoshop Elements 11 won't roundtrip in Aperture

I just purchased Photoshop Elements 11, installed it, selected it in the Aperture preferences, restarted Aperture and tried to edit an Aperture photo using the new Photoshop Elements 11. From Apertures "photos" menu I selected edit with Photoshop Elements 11. Aperture created a new version and opened Photoshop Elements 11, but my photo file did not open in Photoshop Elements so could not edit it from Elements. Anyone else have the same problem? Ant suggestions appreciated.

Solved one problem with earlier version solution.
Try Barbara's advice:
http://barbarabrundage.com/2011/10/05/adobe-hide-and-seek-setting-pse-10-as-exte rnal-editor/
However I seem to have a problem getting the edited version of my Elements Photo to appear back in Aperture.
I save my edit and close Elements, but saved vesrsion of the photo does appear in Aperature.
Any thoughts ??

Adobe photoshop elements vs aperture 1.5

which among this would be a perfect alternative for the iPhoto? i need something that won't be too much of a RAM hog but with loads of photo editing capabilities.
adobe cs3 is way over my budget.
1. adobe photoshop elements
2. aperture 1.5
3. lightroom
thanks.

Well I'll just say go with Aperture cuz I love it and it runs pretty darn well on my MacBook and should run better on yours.
But for the real answer: This is though and the decision (between the same 3 programs) I made at the beginning of this year.
1st: None is perfect, it's scientifically impossible for a photo editing program to be perfect (does everything, easy to use and has low hardware requirements)
I think if you've outgrown iPhoto that Lightroom or Aperture will be best. Elements is good and is kind of like a mini CS3. Here's also the fact that (I'm pretty sure of this, please correct me otherwise) that Elements is not a universal app, mean it runs under Apples Rosetta technology and will be slower.
As far as Aperture vs Lightroom, well we could spend a decade on this one, but I'll help make it easier. LR (ligtroom) has somewhat better adjustment tools than Ap (Aperture). Ap has better organizational tools than LR. Ap also integrates tightly into you Mac life. Lr does run better on lower end hardware.
Both programs offer 30 trials and I suggest playing with those. Also I chose Ap because I felt constrained by Adobe's module system. I also felt it's overall interface was just too dark and not customizable enough. However I am kind of biased in this and it would be good to hear from others. It would be good for you to go over to O'Reilly's Inside Aperture and Inside Lightroom blogs. http://digitalmedia.oreilly.com/ (click the links on the right)

I have a 3 year old MacBook Pro with MAC OSX 10.6.8, iPhoto '09 version 8.1.2 and have downloaded two software programs: one is Aperture 3.2 and the other is Photoshop Elements 9 (which I got from a friend who didn't need it). I am totally happy with the

I have a 3 year old MacBook Pro with MAC OSX 10.6.8, iPhoto ’09 version 8.1.2 and have downloaded two software programs: one is Aperture 3.2 and the other is Photoshop Elements 9 (which I got from a friend who didn’t need it).
I am totally happy with the way iPhoto organizes my photos and how I can work with iMovie to create slide shows with music from iTunes, etc.
I have been shooting mostly high resolution jpegs and I continue to learn more and more about photography, post processing etc. I realize that the small adjustments I can make in iPhoto are good, and are adequate most of the time. However, a have started to experiment with shooting RAW images and would like to go the next step, ie. post processing.I am totally technically challenged and need SIMPLE, INTUITIVE programs and am certainly NOT anywhere ready for Photoshop CS whatever!
After having these programs sit on my computer, I decided to try to see if I could figure them out. When I opened Aperture, this is what first comes up.
“Welcome to Aperture 3.2
Your library needs to be upgraded to work with this version of Aperture. Once upgraded, you will not be able to use this library with previous versions of Aperture.
Upgrading a library from previous versions of Aperture 3 generally takes a few minutes or less, though larger libraries will take longer. After that, Aperture 3.2 will upgrade your library's thumbnails, but you can use the application during that time.
Tip: To open a different library, quit Aperture and hold the Option key down while starting Aperture
Current Library Location:
Jadzia (home) -----Pictures------Aperture Library
QUIT UPGRADE”
I have heard horror stories about moving your entire library to Aperture, ending up with 2 libraries, etc. etc. hence my previous reluctance in attempting Aperture. In addition, many of my photography friends are saying: Go with Lightroom 3.....you’ll love it!
So here is my dilemma. I don’t want to mess around with my iPhoto library. All I want to be able to do, is to isolate a few photos, export them to Aperture, Elements, and work on them there, then bring them back into iPhoto.
Can I do this? Should I forget about Aperture and Elements and look at purchasing yet another program like Lightroom?

Export those few photos via the File ➙ Export ➙ File Export menu option with Kind = Original to the Desktop. Then import them into the Aperture library. That would keep one copy in your iPhoto library and another in your Aperture library to edit, etc.
You can use Photoshop Elements 9 from within iPhoto as your editor of choice. However, if you edit a raw file in iPhoto with PSE9 the resulting edited version must be saved outside the iPhoto Library and imported back in as a new file. For editing jpegs just do a Save (not a Save As) and it all will be kept within iPhoto.
Using Photoshop or Photoshop Elements as Your Editor of Choice in iPhoto.
1 - select Photoshop or Photoshop Elememts as your editor of choice in iPhoto's General Preference Section's under the "Edit photo:" menu.
2 - double click on the thumbnail in iPhoto to open it in Photoshop. When you're finished editing click on the Save button. If you immediately get the JPEG Options window make your selection (Baseline standard seems to be the most compatible jpeg format) and click on the OK button. Your done.
3 - however, if you get the navigation window
that indicates that PS wants to save it as a PS formatted file. You'll need to either select JPEG from the menu and save (top image) or click on the desktop in the Navigation window (bottom image) and save it to the desktop for importing as a new photo.
This method will let iPhoto know that the photo has been editied and will update the thumbnail file to reflect the edit..
NOTE: With Photoshop Elements the Saving File preferences should be configured as shown:
I also suggest the Maximize PSD File Compatabilty be set to Always. In PSE’s General preference pane set the Color Picker to Apple as shown:
Note: to switch between iPhoto and PS or PSE as the editor of choice Control (right)-click on the thumbnail and select either Edit in iPhoto or Edit in External Editor from the contextual menu. If you use iPhoto to edit more than PSE re-select iPhoto in the iPhoto General preference pane. Then iPhoto will be the default editor and you can use the contextual menu to select PSE for your editor when desired.
OT

Photoshop CS5, Photoshop CS5 ex, Photoshop Elements 9, iPhoto, Aperture????

Okay.... so I am a bit overwhelmed with trying to decide if I should be upgrading from iPhoto or not.
iPhoto has been great for making my photobooks. But, on occasion, it has been a bit frustrating trying to get the right number of vertical vs. horizontal photos on a page. Sometimes when adding, if you add in the right order, configurations can change, usually in size (not necessarily orientation unless it is the fewer photos per page layouts 2-3 or 4). But, it makes it go really quickly to do albums as there isn't much engineering going on as you go from page to page (on occasion, I make a separate dummy album that has a different theme that I think manages my horizontal v. vertical issue or perhaps the number of photos allowed on a page (as some themes only have up to 4 or 6 photos per page and on occasion, I like to have more 9, for example)).
Primarily, I have used iPhoto to do personal albums. I intend on possibly starting to offer my services to get albums done for people and/or do slideshow videos for them. With that, I do end up, even with my own, photos from years past or current that have coloring issues or rips/tears/fading.
As it is right now, I have used iPhoto to work on the highlights, shadows, etc, which for me right now, is by trial and error.... I don't really know what I am doing and iPhoto doesn't seem to care. Fortunately, whatever I do, I can go back to the original, which I think is true in Aperture as well... However, I think I might have heard differently with Photoshop (CS5 or Elements)?
I have not installed any plug-ins for the other printer services in iPhoto (eg. Leather Craftsmen), but, I know it is possible a client may want a 12x12 album or some of those other shapes, sizes, cover options out there.... e.g. Shutterfly, even.
One other bit of information is that I am not just a candid completely amateur photographer either. I do take quite a bit of photos with my Canon Rebel Xsi. Not top of the line.... but, although I can should in raw, have chose to always just go with jpeg as this is a hobby of mine and I really don't have loads of time to just adjust all my photos... nor necessarily the space on my computer to put everything at raw. But, I could be persuaded otherwise, if I really knew how to use and really know what the benefits of it are (again, I know I should take classes or something, just don't know where to focus my attention).
So, what am I asking? Well, a few things:
1. If my primary goal is to make Photobooks, which program(s) should I have?
2. I understand you could have iPhoto or Aperture and then edit photos in PhotoShop.... Does that save the file back to Aperture/iPhoto or does it make a separate file in Photoshop?
3. Which books, classes, etc would you suggest to learn the uses of such program(s)?
4. Does the program you mention in #1 strong enough to handle typical adjustments on jpegs-aging, color casts, lack of proper lighting, red-eye (iPhoto seems to do okay on this even in the auto function, but on occasion, it sometimes replaces with too dark of a correction, or not fully complete.)
5. Does Shutterfly have a print plug-in so I could make photobooks on either Aperture or iPhoto and have Shutterfly print? Or is that just available on Photoshop (unless I print to jpegs and then upload to Shutterfly using the Shutterfly uploader)?
6. Is it really beneficial to shoot in raw over jpeg?
7. If Photoshop is even part of your answer in #1, is it worth it to have CS5 or CS5 Extended with the 3D option?

1. If my primary goal is to make Photobooks, which program(s) should I have?
iPhoto is entirely template driven, Aperture's books are very customisable and there are losts of online options too. Google a bit and see what's out there.
2. I understand you could have iPhoto or Aperture and then edit photos in PhotoShop.... Does that save the file back to Aperture/iPhoto or does it make a separate file in Photoshop?
Yes and Yes. In iPhoto: You can set Photoshop (or any image editor) as an external editor in iPhoto. (Preferences -> General -> Edit Photo: Choose from the Drop Down Menu.) This way, when you double click a pic to edit in iPhoto it will open automatically in Photoshop or your Image Editor, and when you save it it's sent back to iPhoto automatically. This is the only way that edits made in another application will be displayed in iPhoto.
Note that iPhoto sends a copy+ of the file to Photoshop, so when you save be sure to use the Save command, not Save As... If you use Save As then you're creating a new file and iPhoto has no way of knowing about this new file. iPhoto is preserving your original anyway.
In Aperture, Preferences _. Export and set your external editor there. WHen you send a pic to PS with Aperture it makes a tiif or psd and sends it over. Saving in Photoshop brings it back.
4. Does the program you mention in #1 strong enough to handle typical adjustments on jpegs-aging, color casts, lack of proper lighting, red-eye (iPhoto seems to do okay on this even in the auto function, but on occasion, it sometimes replaces with too dark of a correction, or not fully complete.)
Photoshop Elements is a good compromise between the cost of full photoshop and the features you'll need.
5. Does Shutterfly have a print plug-in so I could make photobooks on either Aperture or iPhoto and have Shutterfly print? Or is that just available on Photoshop (unless I print to jpegs and then upload to Shutterfly using the Shutterfly uploader)?
You could look that one up at Shutterfly yourself, no?
6. Is it really beneficial to shoot in raw over jpeg?
Depends on what you want to do... Really that's a massively basic question. I would check out some o the online Photo forums and see what advice you can find there tom get you started. You could do worse than look here
http://www.digital-photography-school.com/
7. If Photoshop is even part of your answer in #1, is it worth it to have CS5 or CS5 Extended with the 3D option?
Given the amount of your experience, rather than diving in and spending a whole lot of money, start with iPhoto and Photoshop Elements. Explore. IF you want to upgrade, when you're ready, migrate to Aperture and Elements. I think you're a good way from facing CS5 yet.
Regards
TD

When I external edit an aperture photo using Photoshop Elements 9 and then get out, the changes are not reflected in Aperture when I return - this used to work for me but doesn't seem to have for some time - help please?

Have used Aperture for some time - at some point this stopped working - not sure when
workflow:
click photo and elect to use the external editor (Photoshop Elements 9)
Copy of the photo is created in Aperture with the "O" badge and I am rolled out to Photoshop
Have to change the type to 8-bit in Photoshop to start making changes
When done and I exit I am prompted to save the photo
On returning to Aperture however the "O" badged photo does not get updated/reflect my changes
Other Things:
I can find a changed photo sitting in the Aperture Library using finder or Photoshop itself - so I know changes have been made a new file saved (TIFF).
I am wondering if I am missing some (new) preference such that the changes are not proerly being saved for re-display/storage in the Aperture Library
I am running Lion OSX at the moment but the behaviour was the same under Snow Lepoard versions.
Current version of Aperture is 3.1.3, Elements is 9.0
Any help/suggestions greatfully received

Try using psd. Some rerports indicate some confustion between the apps with TIFF. See:
https://discussions.apple.com/message/15921933#15921933
I cannot confirm, nor test, since I use PS CS5, and not Elements.
Ernie

With Photoshop elements you can cut a person or object out - can Aperture 3 do the same?

Looking to purchase Aperture 3 but wanted to know if it can do similar things to Photoshop elements.
Photoshop elements allows you to cut/remove objects, people, faces, etc...I would like to know if Aperture can do the same?
Are there any other features that Photoshop has that Aperture does not and vice versa?

They are different kinds of programs.
PSE is a graphics program. Graphics programs are built from the ground up to do digital compositing.
Aperture is a DAM (Digital Asset Manager) and RAW converter and developer. It is superb at each of those tasks. It does not do compositing, but it does allow you to assign a program as its external editor. Aperture then handles the trade-off (both ways) between Aperture and the specified external editor.
That is the standard Aperture set-up. Most photographers need a DAM, an image developer, and occasionally a graphics program. Those who shoot RAW need a RAW converter.
(Added) Without the jargon, it comes down to this: You use your camera to take digital photos. You use Aperture to store and organize your photos, and to make each photo as good as it can be, as well as to make variants of your photos. You use a graphics program to create new graphics that combine photos, text, shapes, etc.
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Aperture 3 and Adobe Photoshop Elements 10 problems.

I have installed Adobe Photoshop Elements 10, which I have setup as plugin for Aperture 3. In Aperture preferences the photos are exported as 8 bit TIFF 300 DPI, no profile and automatically stack new versions selected in general.
I right click on selected image (version) in Aperture and select edit with Elements, this create another version of the same photo in Aperture but increasing size from say 5MB to around 40MB. The Elements programme opens in Elements editor but the selected image is not there, I can only drag it in from Aperture. I then edit the image, then click save, it open a box save as and to a wierd folder like Uwvo2vg etc. I click save, get message saying it will overwrite file of same name, click save using a unique name. When I go back to Aperture, the edited file is not there and when I search for the unique name, nothing comes up.

I had somewhat similar problems running Elements 10 as external editor, but under 10.6.8. The simplest fix is to send .psd's instead of .tiff. You can change that in preferences.
If you must use .tiff (I do, becaues PTLens doesn't like psd) you have to change the file extension to .tiff in the save dialog. Elements saves as .tif and Aperture saves as .tiff. Notice the number of 'f' at end of extension.
Here's what was happening to me, which is a little different:
• when you send to external editor, Aperture saves a .tiff and opens it in in Elements
• you do your work and close the file
• Elements saves as .tif, and so doesn't overwrite the Aperture tiff.
• Aperture doesn't know the .tif exists so it shows you the un-edited .tiff that if made at the beginning
I get around this at the save dialog in Elements. Basically Elements goes into a Save As kind of dialog, so if I add the extra 'f' at the end, Elements asks if I want to over-write the existing file, and when I say yes the changes show in Aperture.
If you open Elements and go to 'Recent Files' (or something like that), you can see the .tif and .tiff files together. If you delete the .tiff and add the extra 'f' to the Elements .tif, the changes will show in Aperture.
What you shouldn't be doing is changing the name of the file in Elements. For the edits to show in Aperture you need to save the file with the same name and change the extension to .tiff. The file that Elements saves must have exactly the same name as the one Aperture made, because that's the file that Aperture knows about.
If you do a library database repair, Aperture will find these .tifs and add them to the library, but they won't be where they should be. The show up in a recovered file folder at the bottom.
Note that Elements 8 didn't have this kind of trouble. And note that I'm not running Lion, so some of the behaviors I describe may be different that what Lion users see.

Using photoshop elements 9 as an external editor - after saving in Photoshop the results do not display in Aperture

I set up my external editor as Photoshop Elements 9, I follow the instructions to edit a selected image in the external editor. When finished editing in Photoshop, I hit Save (not Save As), and go back to Aperture, and the work I did in Photoshop does not display in Aperture. Is there anything else I need to do to make the work I did in Photoshop display in Aperture?

I had the same problem with PSE 10, and this soution worked for me. Thanks. But is this the real answer? Isn't there a way to save the file without having to add an "f" to the suffix? It doesn't seem to make sense to me. Is it an Aperture problem or PSE? I went to the Apple store amnd the so-called aperture/photoshop expert spent an hour trying to figure it out and finally got the answer by reading this post!!!

Using Photoshop elements 6 as external editor in aperture

I am new to aperture2, have imported photos into the aperture library, from a folder on the harddrive. I have set photoshop elements as the external editor. When i select a photo for external editing i get redirected to elements, do the editing, but when i close and save the edited picture and go back to aperture, i have two of the same pictures in aperture one with two circles in the bottom left corner, one with a square with arrows in, but not the edited version. Checking in finder, the edited picture is in the folder where I imported the photos from. Am a missing a basic setting?

That sounds very strange. You should have the referenced icon in the lower right corner on the edited version as well.
Just thinking; are you using Aperture 1.x by any chance? In the previous version of Aperture the edited image was stored inside the library file, and in version 2.x the edited image is stored together with the original referenced master.
You could try to rebuild your library by holding down the "CMD + OPT"- keys when starting Aperture. Choose from the dialog.
Regards
Paul K

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