Is edit to tape possible with a HDV timeline?

Hi all,
I´m working with Final Cut 5.1 and I´m trying to export my HDV timeline to a HDV recorder(Sony HVR-M10E). Print to video is working but edit to tape not.
is it possible to edit to tape with HDV? If not is there any workaround for frameaccurate editing to tape.
Can anybody help me?
Thanks, Carmen
Mac OS X (10.4.6)

nope...
The work around is to export your sequence as a DVCPROHD QT movie (using the same frame rate), then edit that to tape.
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