Is iMovie '08 Really An Upgrade?! Take 2.

Funny thing is that I started a thread by this same title on the day IM '08 was released and that thread had grown to at least 4 pages with a variety of informative and interesting posts by IM users as to what IM '08 was and was not capable of doing compared to IM6. But suddenly my thread is gone. Hmmmm.... For those who may have missed it, the undeniable conclusion was that IM '08 was an excellent advancement in video format compatability and storage/managment but was a BIG step (or 3 or 4 big steps) backwards from IM6 in terms of video editing capabilities/features.
I hope nobody finds this renewed post too offensive and has to delete it too

Sure, it will get better. But if you are in my shoes, with a $47,000 budget for school media labs to spend before Christmas, and you are looking at new iMacs, then we have a problem.
iMovie 6 HD is excellent, but had serious clip management issues and limited import compared to the camera market (we're also buying those so there's a crossover here big time).
We're not all Mac. Only 25% and we had to fight desperately for any of that over the last few years. There is some excellent Windows software on inexpensive hardware available that we are familiar with that actually does more than iMovie for less money. So we have to ask the question about our long-term investment in iMovie as an educational application,a nd that means questining the total commitment to the Mac platform. Final Cut Express is far too complex for our age groups and for the one-term students. It also dramatically adds to the cost. It is not an option.
My Apple education sales rep is positively red-faced with embarassment over this problem. He cannot say if iMovie will fit the current curriculum ever again. If we're investing in kids education for the future, we MUST know if the product will have legs. From what I have seen, Apple is taking away features in iMovie 7 that are an absolute necessity and that rips the rug right out from us. Right now we may not be in a position to buy Apple hardware because we do not see a software upgrade path. We've been given a downgrade path.

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telephotonc wrote:
I bought my MBP in late 2008. ... When I upgraded to Snow Leopard, I can't seem to find iMovie.
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IMovie and iDVD, Stupid Upgrade Questions, Sorry Must Ask

Okay, the deal is I have a PowerMac G4 Version 2.1 with a Combo Drive. I am upgrading to Mac OSX 3.0 so I can do certain things in iMovie and acquire a better browser. (My constraints on the iMovie project about which I've been inquiring are that at least 40 people have been waiting for copies of it for about a month and wondering why I don't come through with it--I sent a lengthy explanation to the guy who'll be duplicating it in case anyone asks. That's one reason I'm in such a hurry I have to ask urgent questions at forums and newsgroups and don't take the time to read every word ever written on every one of these systems and their various applications, abilities, and uses.)
I started out thinking I was about one step from having a completed project and the more I learn, the more grim the situation looks. Yet I've done ALL THIS WORK already to create beautiful titles and elaborately-edited outtakes. I HATE to ditch it all if any faint hope flickers into sight!
My Mac came with the following:
iMovie 3.0.3 -- which seems to be working fine, only problem is, due to deficiencies in other equipment, I'm having trouble getting my movie to DVD or into any other form where it can be played anywhere outside the Mac!
iDVD 2.1 -- My feeble brain, inadequate as it may be, has so far gathered the information that to go to DVD, a project can't be played in iMovie and sent straight to a DVD burner (can it?) There has to be some intermediary step. (Right?) People have argued the various merits of iDVD vs. Toast to accomplish this step. I hadn't opened my copy of iDVD because I am in no way near the point of being ready to make a DVD--I have not yet finished editing the project in iMovie. I made the hideous error of ASSUMING that since this came installed in my Mac, it would work fine when needed, just as iMovie did. When I tried to open it just to see what version I had, it wouldn't open and told me this:
System Requirements
iDVD 2 requires a PowerMac G4 computer with 256 Megs of RAM, a built-in DVD-R Superdrive and Mac OS 10.1.3 or later.
Stupid redundant bonus question #1: WHY would this come installed on a Mac which lacks the hardware to use it? (iMovie could still be used to edit, and then copy projects--if I had a digital video camera--which I don't. The only other way we've figured is to send it back through the Canopus ADVC110 converter I used to get the video in there, and play it out to a VCR--a cumbersome process I've been assured will result in crummy quality.)
Okay, here are the REAL questions:
1. I don't suppose there's any way the Canopus could be connected to the DVD burner and the information sent to a DVD that way? Just asking.
2. Obviously the upgrade isn't going to fix things to make iDVD work, as I'm already using Mac OSX 10.2.8, so I would assume its discontent stems from not having the Superdrive--at least, it was complaining something about inadequate hardware and I think that's what it meant. Will connecting a DVD burner via FireWire convince iDVD to work (either automatically or after some sort of tweaking), or am I stuck replacing the drive? I bought a DVD burner the minute I realized my drive was a Combo Drive and not a Superdrive (which is the first time I stuck a blank DVD in it and nothing happened) before learning details about this intermediary step and that there is more than one way to accomplish it.
3. Is it even worth replacing the Combo Drive with a Superdrive or is it more worth buying a whole new Mac? If I am FORCED to buy a new Mac, what should I do with the old one? (Not only am I ethically opposed to tossing a perfectly good piece of electronic equipment into the ravine, I might get fined for littering. Can a good home be found for it? For that matter it would be a pain as I've saved all sorts of stuff to the Hard Drive which would have to be transferred to the new one before I could get rid of the old one. So can I keep the old one...PLEASE?)
4. After making the system upgrade, will I be able to bypass iDVD entirely by using Toast, or does Toast also have all sorts of requirements my hardware does not possess so I'll still be SOL, stuck replacing drives or even the whole Mac, or going directly to crummy-quality VHS as there is NO OTHER WAY OUT?
5. After making the system upgrade, would I be ready for more advanced versions of iMovie and iDVD? Are any upgrades free, or does every improvement cost? Do I get them all at the Apple site, order some of them from some supplier or other the way I did with the Mac OSX upgrade, or what?
Thanks for helping to clear up my massive confusion!!!

Wow, thanks. It's good to know iDVD is still an option, even if I don't buy the Superdrive (is that even possible, to get the Combo Drive taken out of my current Mac and a Superdrive put in? There's a question still unanswered.)
(I think this is good to know--because part of my reasoning in asking the question was to eliminate one option or the other, and now I'm ending up with options of options, but hold on for Part 2 as I do have some questions concerning the capabilities of iDVD and Toast.)
Partly answering one of my own questions (although I'd appreciate confirmation from someone who actually knows,) if these Toast 7 requirements mean what I think they do, I don't see anywhere that it says the computer MUST have a Superdrive and CAN'T use an external DVD burner!
Toast 7 Titanium
Requirements:
* PowerPC G4 processor or faster (G5 recommended for viewing DivX files on your Mac)
* PowerPC G3 processor and Mac OS 10.2 users, see Toast 6 Titanium or Popcorn
* Mac OS X v10.3.9 or later
* 300 MB of free disk space to install
* Up to 15 GB of temporary free disk space during usage
* QuickTime 7 or later
* CD or DVD burner and recordable media
If this is true (that I can use an external DVD burner) I like Toast already! My Quicktime Player is only version 6.5.2--is it going to be difficult, expensive, or both, to upgrade that? If it is or the other System Requirements are not met I can just go with Toast 6.
As far as those requirements, I promise you I don't understand a word of it but here is what my System Profiler says my Mac has. Maybe someone can make sense of it and help me decide which version of Toast to get or, if not, what to do:
System Profile
Software Overview:
| |
| System version : Mac OS X 10.2.8 (6R73)
(As I said, I'm upgrading to 10.3.0 soon, and obviously if I want Toast 7 gotta figure out the best way to go to 10.3.9 or higher.)
| Boot volume : Hard Drive |
| Kernel version : Darwin Kernel Version 6.8: Wed Sep 10 15:20:55 PDT 2003; root:xnu/xnu-344.49.obj~2/RELEASE_PPC |
Hardware Overview:
| |
| Machine speed : 867 MHz |
| Bus speed : 133 MHz |
| Number of processors : 2 |
| L2 cache size : 256K (times 2) |
| L3 cache size : 1MB (times 2) |
| Machine model : Power Mac G4 (version = 2.1) |
| Boot ROM info : 4.4.6f2
Memory Overview:
Location Type Size
DIMM0/J21 DDR SDRAM 256 MB
DIMM1/J22 DDR SDRAM 512 MB
DIMM2/J23 empty
DIMM3/J20 empty
Network Overview:
Built-in:
| |
| Flags : 0x8051<Up,PpoinToPoint,Running,Multicast> |
| Ethernet address : 00.00.00.00.00.00 |
| IP : 67.0.142.95--> 67.0.128.6 |
| Subnet Mask : 255.0.0.0 |
| |
Devices and Volumes
PCI:
SLOT-1(AGP):
| |
| Card Type : NVDA,GeForce4MX |
| Card Name : NVDA,Parent |
| Card Model : GeForce4 MX |
| Vendor ID : 10de |
| Device ID : 172 |
| ROM# : 1121 |
| Revision : a5 |
| |
USB Information:
USB Bus 0:
Apple internal modem:
| |
| Product ID : 33282 ($8202) |
| Vendor : HCF USB V.90 Data/Fax Modem |
| Device Speed : Full |
| Power (mA) : 500
FireWire Information:
No FireWire devices found.:
(Unsure why it says this as the Canopus Converter is a FireWire device and it's connected, turned on, and has been working.)
Bus:
CD-RW/DVD-ROM:
| |
| Disc Burning : Fully supported.
(Obviously this means CDs only, not DVDs.)
Hard Drive:
| |
| Disk Size : 57.26 GB (1K = 1024) 62 GB (1K = 1000) |
| Unit Number : 0 |
| ATA Device Type : ata |
| Device Serial : VNC303A3L6AAHA |
| Device Revision : VA3BA52A |
| Device Model : IBM-IC35L060AVVA07-0 |
| |
Hard Drive:
| |
| Volume Size : 57.26 GB (1K = 1024) 62 GB (1K = 1000) |
| Ejectable : No |
| Writable : Yes
One thing which may really sway me in favor of Toast is, will it make possible burning 2-hour DVDs? Supposedly iDVD will not enable anything longer than 90 minutes, and when I get to the other big project for which I really want to use the Canopus ADVC 110 converter, that is, converting my home movies from either VHS or 8mm video camera tape to DVD--well, ALL of my tapes are two hours long, because that's the way they come!! I don't see being limited to making 90-minute DVDs as anything but another GIANT PAIN of which I'm already amply supplied! So if Toast will fix this dilemma I'm ALL FOR IT!
As always, thanks for help and advice.

Video framerate running slow for iMovie and WoW after upgrading to leopard

I have a pretty standard powerbook g4...
Model Name: PowerBook G4 12"
Model Identifier: PowerBook6,8
Processor Name: PowerPC G4 (1.5)
Processor Speed: 1.5 GHz
Number Of CPUs: 1
L2 Cache (per CPU): 512 KB
Memory: 1.25 GB
Bus Speed: 167 MHz
Boot ROM Version: 4.9.0f0
Video Chipset Model: GeForce FX Go5200
...And I had it doing all the normal computer functions (internet, mail, iLife '06 programs) as well as playing WoW. I then install Leopard and iLife '08 and now both my imovie and WoW framerates have plummeted. (As far as the game goes, all the video options are currently at the lowest level, leading me to believe it is the OS causing the slowdown.) Is there a settings fix or software upgrade for this, or should I downgrade to Tiger?

HI Michael and Welcome to Apple Discussions ...
Yes, Leopard can slow down a drive. Here's something to check before you consider reverting to Tiger. Open Disk Utility from your Applications/Utilities folder. With DU open, select MacintoshHD in the panel on the left. Click the First Aid tab. Now, look at the bottom of the window where it says: Capacity and Available Never allow the drive to fall below 20% available drive space. Leopard requires a minimum of 9GB of drive space alone. Using iLife/creating audio/video files takes a tremendous amount of CPU energy, let alone drive space. If you start experiencing apps freezing and crashing... you might want to revert to Tiger. Try only using one app at a time and keep an eye on available drive space.
Carolyn L-)

Is it really worth upgrading nForce into nF2??

posted by jand,
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sigh... no it is not...
just reflecting that my poor nForce will be considered old and it didn't even have the chance to be a 1 year old....
oh the humanity! can't a poor motherboard get the chance to grow old gracefully? must we boot it out of the door before it even reached their prime??
Oh well, cest la vie.
ps: i was hoping that my nforce would miraculously transform into an nforce2 but i guess that won't be possible.
nvidia haven't thought them how to evolve yet
Markoul's Opinion: I believe, and despite what idea MSI likes to promote to the forum, that it is NOT worth the money unless you are desperate for a feature not in the original nForce. These are:
-Integrated GF4MX
- Support of new line of AthlonXP processors T/bred B' (166MHz FSB) thus AthlonXP 2700+(2.15GHz) and 2800+
(2.24GHz)
-PC3200 (400MHz) DDR Memory Support (up to 3Gigs)
-Firewire support
-USB 2.0 support
-ATA 133
-AGP X8
-dual NIC's and router, additional to the integrated in the chipset nVidia NIC there is now also possible the use of a second NIC depending on the board manufacturer working simultaneously via an integrated router.
-Lastly, depending on the board manufacturer, the possibility of 6 on-board analog Audio outputs (no need for a CNR) or/and an optical SPIDIF(?)
That's all it really is. So if you still can not hold your horses then be my guest and GO ON spend your beans in upgrading your very aged out nForce :P (not even a year long) into a new miraculous nForce2 which assuming you will not upgrade CPU, will give you a whole 10% boost maximum in real life applications....WOW!! :P :P ...i am impressed.
Nevertheless, not to be misunderstood, for the rest of the people (not already owning a nForce) nForce 2 is the ultimate Athlon CPU platform so far and the best upgrade someone can possible do. Especially for VIA guys :D
......I never in my life upgraded h/w within a year and possible never will. Never, really a Geek and always like to get my money back with time. Not really a consuming freak....sorry :P
So, i am not convinced upgrading nForce into nForce2, any different opinions are most welcome.
Markoul

hi all,
thanks for the comments.
Yup markoul, you're right and definitely have no plans to purchase an nForce2 as i'm still satisfied with my current one and the only weak link now is the int. GF2MX vid card.
Most of my friends are complaining that i'm underutilising my cpu anyway.... and i'm a guy who just upg. my pc for the first time in 5 years (yes, i was on a pentium based machine) so u could say i'm a slow tech adopter.
However i usually go for the std base platform at the time and i thought nforce will give me the best bang for the buck as it comes with int. GF2mx as i don't want to invest so soon on an external card yet with all the goodies on the horizon though most ppl don't understand why i stuck with this nforce.
I'm setting my eyes on the next 'evolution' and that's the clawhammer and if they are going to delay it, then by all means... better late with solid support rather than a finicky system.
Here's my wishlist:
1) an self-evolving system... hehe.. a system that gets better each time u use it..
2) vid cards that are socketed so u could change the VPU/GPU like mobos & cpus ... that'll be interesting but i think we'll need the vid card market to mature in size like the cpu market

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This is an iMovie 11 question, just a little set up first.
I recently switch from iPhoto to Aperture. In doing so I moved my iPhoto library to Aperture. From an Aperture stand point, every thing works great.
However, the first time i opened iMovie it began creating thumbs for all my videos that are now associated in/with the Aperture library.
Problem I'm having now is that it takes a couple of minutes for iMovie 11 (9.0.2) to load events in the Event Library and Browser. The Event Library its self is almost completely unusable. Scrolling is an exercise in futility. If my computer were a human I would assume it was "thinking" about something. The little Color Pinwheel of Impatience comes up and spins for about 30 to 45 seconds, then the library scrolls down to some random point in the library.
Scrubbing clips is virtually impossible. Moving the cursor around the Event Library invokes the Color Pinwheel of Impatience again and ultimately a minutes later a random spot in a clip is selected.
The Project Window on the other hand performs flawlessly. Once I have finally selected a clip from the Event Library all the clips scroll and scrub normally... it's iMovie joy.
It appears, to this layman anyway, that the problem must be in the Event Library or in how clips are/were imported. I noticed some of the import events are "choppy" and their resolution has been reduced to a clip of graininess. They look horrible in iMovie, but normal in Aperture.
If anyone has a clue as to what may be going on here some advice would be greatly appreciated.

I too seem to have the same problem. Am running OS 10.5.6 and just will not stay open. Have tried to find the iMovie preference file and there's nothing there which could be the problem.
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When they told me about it I just thought it had a better display and decided it didn't bother me if the resolution was better, not knowing that it was thinner, has a HDMI connection, etc.
I bought my macbook pro 13 inch exactly a month ago tomorrow. If I go back and tell them this will I be able to upgrade my laptop? I paid more than $1300 or something for this one, I'd be willing to pay up to the price of the retina model, do you think I'd be able to do this?

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peter_watt wrote:
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I just upgraded to mountain lion and imovie '11 - now imovie is CONSTANTLY crashing. Like every 10 minutes - can anyone help?

- quit iMovie
- restart the computer (IMPORTANT)
- when finder is displayed beside the apple, you should also see the word "go" in the top menu. Click on the word "go" to expose the drop down. When it displays, hold down the "option key" on your keyboard, and you should see a "library" appear right under "home". Select the library. Open the "preferences" folder
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I upgraded my iMac 2009 to Mavericks today. I updated all the user accounts for format changes to Mail, iPhoto and iMovie. What a pain. I don't recall this being an issue before (I was running Lion) but iMovie now only lets one user run iMovie at a time. A dialog pops up stating "You can't open the application "iMove.app" because someone else is using it. Ask the other user to quit the application, and then try again." Was this always like this? It's kind of funny to have an app that behaves like this. Does anyone know what wrong? Operator or System error? Thanks.

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I still get a solid "BEEEEEEEEP" sound every 20+ seconds, when the sounds tries to toggle, by itself, between the Bose USB Audio device and the Internal Speakers.

I was just wondering if Pages, Numbers, iPhoto, and iMovie are really free for December 16, 2013

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iWork and iLife for Mac come free with every new Mac purchase. Existing users running Mavericks can update their apps for free from the Mac App Store℠. iWork and iLife for iOS are available for free from the App Store℠ for any new device running iOS 7, and are also available as free updates for existing users. GarageBand for Mac and iOS are free for all OS X Mavericks and iOS 7 users. Additional GarageBand instruments and sounds are available for a one-time in-app purchase of $4.99 for each platform.

IPhoto and iMovie gone after Mavericks upgrade

I upgraded my MacBook Pro to Mavericks and lost ALL of my applications. I finally have most everything back in order, but iPhoto and iMovie are gone and now the App Store says I need to purchase them.
Why should I have to purchase them when I already own them from the purchase of my MacBook Pro? Getting a free Mavericks upgrade should not cause me to have to spend $30 to get the applications back that I already owned in the first place.
Please help me restore those two applications.
Thanks,
Greg

so please read my responce
2 - to get them back you reinstall from the original source - which may be the restore disk that came with your computer, a purchased iLife upgrade or the app store using the Apple ID you used to set your computer up
Maybe it is clearer using bullet points rather that standard English puncuation
To get them back you reinstall from the original source
which may be
1 - The restore disk that came with your computer,
2 - a purchased iLife upgrade or
3 - the app store using the Apple ID you used to set your computer up - in this case you go to the App store under purchases
Only you know what the original source is
As as to who should pay for yoru mistake -- obviously if your mistake creates a cost then you should pay the cost you created - pretty simple stuff
As to Time Machine - yes they should be there but it is better to reinstall them - copying from a backup dose not work well for applications
LN

I need iMovie but can't upgrade to Mavericks (on a MacBook plastic case early 2008, running 10.6.8)

I used to have IMovie on my MacBook (plastic case early 2008), running 10.5.8.
Then I upgraded to 10.6.8, and added extra memory, it's 2 GB now. Thus I lost iLife, that I used to have.
I tried to purchase iMovie 11 but it requires 10.9 or higher.
Unfortunately I cannot upgrade, because my Mac Book is too old (only aluminium case ones from late 2088 can upgrade).
So...what should I do?
Look for older versions of iLife/iMovie, but where do I get them?
Or can I get iMovie 6 and the rest of iLife from my old installation disks (10.5.8) of when I purchased the MacBook? And how do I do that?

Thanks!
iLife '09 apparently requires 4 GB and I only have 2. I'll see if I can find the DVD that had to be in my original machine box.

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