Is it possible to install Panther on Ibook G3 Graphite?

I installed 10.2 on the ibook. That worked and is working fine. I then tried to install 10.3 without updating to 10.2.8. The installation seemed to go well, but it would not complete the start up. It went from gray to blue screen but the finder would not load and show on the desktop. The screen was not frozen.
Will 10.3 work with the G3 Ibook with 320 ram and 366 mhz?
Will updating to 10.2.8 first and then installing 10.3 possibly work?

Hello Again Charley!
Does your iBook meet the Panther System Requirements
Additional Panther System Requirements,
and Mac Model Compatibility & Requirements For OS X?
Are you using the Panther Retail Version CDs?
You haven't posted the size of your HD, and how much space is available?
Is the RAM original or added? Panther is very discerning about type of RAM.
If you have added RAM, remove it if the original amount is at least 128 MB.
Try the install again. If the installation is successful, you can then try to re-add the extra RAM.
Did you run Repair Permissions after the installation?
Also, see if anything here You see an empty, blue screen, helps.
Good Luck!
ali b

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Hi everyone. Thank you for taking the time to view my post.
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Just a quick one...
I was just about to order some extra RAM (512mb)for this ibook G3 500mhz (only has 64mb at the moment) I got so I can run Panther, however, I thought before ordering it, I'd check if the Panther install CDs would work.. I was just curious..
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I kinda expected this as it does say 'at least 128mb of memory' on the PDF... am I right in thinking it won't even try to install Panther if theres only 64mb of RAM?
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ian

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Tony:
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Hi Again SloMocean!
Unfortunately, those CDs will not work on your iBook.
They are CDs that were designated to be shipped with a specific iBook model.
Although you have an iBook, it may not be exactly the same as the model that those CDs were intended for.
More info here Tip: Mac OS X Install CDs/Use On Multiple Macs.
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You may find one on this eBay Search Results Page, but CAVEAT EMPTOR, as you have discovered!
If you do an expanded search on eBay, or Amazon, you will probably find more.
Once again, make sure the CDs that you purchase, look like THESE.
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Shop Carefully, Read All Documentation, and Good Luck!
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Hey there...
a friend of mine has an older iBook. the drive on this iBook is broken (snapped off) so there's no way of using it.
is it possible to install OS Panther from another computer (use OS X panther install running on a MacBook, or G4) targeting the iBook via Target Disk mode?
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Hello Again SCHPiLKAS!
As roam posted, you cannot use the Intel MacBook install discs, on the PPC iBook.
Additional info in these links.
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I have an old iMac G3 (350 MHz) running with OS 9.0. Since a long moment, I have problems on the net because I can't upgrade Netscape or Explorer anymore. So, it seems that I would run an OS X to be able to install Safari or something like that an surf well. My questions are:
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- If not, is there any solution to keep my old machine and make it usefull on the net?
I don't khnow a lot about computers and I don't realy want to spend a lot of money to buy a new computer for now...
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I can read English better than I write it, but I am more comfortable with French for technical instructions...

Just to reinforce what Denison said. Your firmware must be 4.1.9 if it's not you must upgrade the firmware from within OS 9 before you bring any OS X (10.2 and above) installer near your machine:
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OK, I've posted this also on iMac CRT.
Here's a short story:
Panther ran beautifully fore quite a while, then started to have kernel panics due to faulty RAM.
I just replaced the 2 128 Mb sticks that were faulty with a brand new 512 from Crucial.
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I got fed-up, changed the HD, brand new Western Digital 80 GB.
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Well, it is mind bogling cause:
1) OS 9.2.1 is installed and bootable
2) OS X ver 0.3 is installed and bootable
Both OS run fine.
I tried again this morning by booting with the Panther CD's:
- still no possibility to repair OS 9
- still offers only an Archive and Install, that failed.
I went to look in the Receipts file but there's only packages concerning OS 10.0, nothing on 10.3
I couldn't start in Single User to fiddle around with it maybe I could try stuff in Terminal
I had to leave for work,(yes even on Easter...) so I started the Apple Hardware Test in loop mode and I'll see around midnite if something shows up.
There's nothing important on the HD so I could erase everything and start over but I don't feel it will work since I've just did that.
I think it's something else,
- Bad CD (it's 10.3.0
- Bad RAM (even though it's brand new, I'll have to check it with Memtest if I can run it)
- Bad wiring somewhere inside
- Bad luck...
If there's any other ideas, there welcome of course...
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