Is it safe to enable "write changes into XMP"?

I am evaluating the LR4 beta using my existing tree of master photos. (Have to put the thing under a realistic load, or there is no test.)
If I make a change to a photo with XMP writing enabled in the catalog settings, will LR3 be able to cope with the changed XMP data?
That is, does LR4 use the same version of the XMP format as LR3, or failing that, will LR3 ignore extended fields added by LR4?

Yes LR3 ignores the LR4 data, and you could leave xmp writing turned off. It won't upgrade your LR3 catalog.
Beware, the release notes do warn "While data loss is not expected, this is an early ‘beta’ quality build and you should always work on duplicates of files that are securely backed up."

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Hello,
I am needing to update DNG/JPG file pairs with keywords that I add in lightroom. The following is the problem that I am encountering.
When the image consists of only a JPEG file (ie. I had my DSLR only snap a jpeg and not an associated DNG), and I add one or more keywords to the file in Lightroom, these are written / saved immediately in Lightroom and are visible immediately in the 'tags' column for that image in windows explorer. Very useful and important functionality for my workflow.
However, when the image consists of both a JPEG and a sister DNG (i.e.,snapped simultaneously by my DSLR), and I try to add keywords to these (treated at this point as a single image by lightroom) then Lightroom does not record the keywords into either of the two files and consequently no tags are visible in windows explorer. I have confirmed this apparent problem with a seperate image metadata utility software, and am hoping that it's just something simple that I am missing.
Also "Automatically Write Changes Into XMP" is selected and I have also tried manually both: "right click," "metadata," "write metadata to file;" and "right click" "update DNG preview and metadata" and the problem persists.
Hopefully someone has encountered something similar and can point me in the right direction.
Thanks in advance.

@Eric: hitting cntrl+s works but can be tedeous on large galleries. I've been doing this but it can be a pain.
@Jeannine: different topic than this thread but to answer anyways... Lightroom automatically saves all changes into your catalogue. You never need to dave your changes (here's the kicker though) as long as you do not move the original file. If you
move the file than lightroom won't know that it's the same image as the one you've edited. Once you are done editing your image you will need to "export" the image to a new file (you don't wan to overwrite the original). If you don't export than only lightroom will have your edits. Lightroom is "non-destructive" Which means that it doesn't touch your original photo. Lightroom keeps a text file containing the instructions on what you did to make the edited version. Since your changes are just text inatryxtions you have to "export" the image to get your final image in a version you can put online, print, etc. But to answer your original question, I think you prob moves the original image. If not, could you give us more info?

"Automatically Write Changes into XMP" Not Saving XMP Files

I tried finding some other discussions on this but I couldn't seem to find anything...
I recently checked the "Automatically Write Changes into XMP" setting in my "Catalog Settings". However, as I continue to add pictures to my library and make changes, I do *not* see the XMP files being written to the location of the pictures (Nikon NEF files located on my hard-drive). In fact, I can't find the XMP files anywhere. If I want to output the XMP files I have to do a Ctrl + S (Photo --> Save Metadata to File).
I did notice that when I unchecked the setting and re-checked it, *some* of the XMP files showed up. However, in my import of 24 photos, only 14 had XMP files. I had to manually "Save Metadata to File" to get the XMP sidecar files to show.
Am I doing something wrong? Is something not working right? I'm a bit confused. I assumed it would automatically export the sidecar files.
How often should it be outputting XMP sidecards? If I import a new image should the XMP sidecar file be created? Or is it created the first time I change an original picture?
I am using Adobe Lightroom 2.0 (Camera Raw 4.5) on a Mac OS X 10.5.5.
Thanks,
-Leftquark

@Eric: hitting cntrl+s works but can be tedeous on large galleries. I've been doing this but it can be a pain.
@Jeannine: different topic than this thread but to answer anyways... Lightroom automatically saves all changes into your catalogue. You never need to dave your changes (here's the kicker though) as long as you do not move the original file. If you
move the file than lightroom won't know that it's the same image as the one you've edited. Once you are done editing your image you will need to "export" the image to a new file (you don't wan to overwrite the original). If you don't export than only lightroom will have your edits. Lightroom is "non-destructive" Which means that it doesn't touch your original photo. Lightroom keeps a text file containing the instructions on what you did to make the edited version. Since your changes are just text inatryxtions you have to "export" the image to get your final image in a version you can put online, print, etc. But to answer your original question, I think you prob moves the original image. If not, could you give us more info?

Confused; auto writing changes into xmp

I am not sure which settings to use for the catalog settings options concerning writing changes to the xmp data or not. Kelby says he leaves the "Automatically write changes into xmp" unchecked because it takes additional processing time. Martin Evening says if you check it then try to edit in photoshop, it will automaitcally open in Camera RAW, not photoshop. I am new to CS5 and recently got it because I wanted to move up from Elements. He also says that the best option is to leave the "include Develop setting in metadata inside JPEG, TIFF, and PSD files" off, because they may not look the same in other photo apps. This whole issue is confusing to me. Can anyone simplify it? I am a serious amateur, and don't plan on giving any of my raw photos to "clients".
Thanks,
Jim

Hi, Jim.
To xmp or not to xmp, that is the question. Alas, poor Kelby. I knew him well.
Kelby says he leaves the "Automatically write changes into xmp" unchecked because it takes additional processing time.
Of course, the normal interaction between Lr and Ps doesn't require xmp files. xmp files carry metadata in a format available to other applications. I don't anticipate ever using other applications. But you never know. So I do have Lr write to xmp. Most of my xmp files are 13.7kb. Some as low as 10kb, some as high as 15kb. How long does it take to write 15kb of data? Not long. But over an import of hundreds of images it will add up. Add up to what depends on your machine. And whether it matters depends on your particular needs. I have a fast machine and am not in a hurry to begin with. And I can't predict the future. So I write them. If I ever get in a hurry, I might not.
Martin Evening says if you check it then try to edit in photoshop, it will automatically open in Camera RAW, not photoshop
This may be true when opening the image from applications other than Lr. If you want to edit a RAW image in your Lr catalog in Ps, the most straightforward method is to select the image and hit Ctrl+E. Lr will render it and open it in Ps. Not ACR. Whether you have "Automatically write changes into xmp" checked or not.
It's important to note that Lr does not open the RAW image in Ps. It renders a copy and opens the copy in Ps. When you save the copy after your Ps edits, it will be saved as new file in Psd format (or Tiff, depending on your Preferences). By default, the new Psd file will be added to the catalog with original name with "-Edit.psd" added to the end. That's it. No xmp's, ACR's, or but's about it.
The link between Lr and Ps is too fundamental to derail with your Preferences.
He also says that the best option is to leave the "include Develop
setting in metadata inside JPEG, TIFF, and PSD files" off, because they
may not look the same in other photo apps.
It's true that the may not look the same in other apps, but this isn't necessarily a deal breaker. There are advantages to maximizing your compatibility. But I would suspect that the vast majority of Lr/Ps users never edit their images in other applications. So turning it off would present no downside. Same with the xmp files. Particularly considering the fact that the Develop Settings can be written into the files later if you need to edit an image in Acme Photoswap.
So I would say in general, Scott and Martin are giving good advice.
FWIW.
Peace,
Lee

Automatically write changes to XMP crashes Lightroom!

Everytime I turn on the option "automatically write changes to XMP" my processor load rises to 100%. So far so understandable. LR is trying to update all of my 40000 images with xmp data. We've already discussed that there is no progress-bar indicating this and that this can be a real issue for people who don't know.
So I turn on the checkbox in the evening and let my pc write all xmps over night, but unfortunately every morning I look at it, lightroom has closed or crashed. It seems not to be possible to complete this task anyway.
Unfortunately writing to XMP seems to have another issue: LR does not notice, witch xmp have already been written, so it writes everything again and again, when I start it manually.
Could anyone of the LR-Team issue a statement and explain how this is meant to work and why LR constantly crashes on automatical export?
Thank you in advance.

I feel that though LR is a very good product in many aspects, they have seriously failed in other aspects. I think what is mentioned here is one of the worse problems. How should we trust Adobe to take care of our image library when they behaves like this? They must surely know that their product will be used by proffesionals that have thousands if files in their library.
I think it is very arrogant of them to update all my photos with XMP-information even though I didn't ask for it. I check the "automatically write CHANGES to XMP", actually believing that this is what LR is going to do, but instead it updates all my photos with some useless information that are of course already in the files. This is NOT a good thing to do. I will not trust Adobe after this, because I have no way of knowing what they will do to my library.
So, now, after installing LR, my partial backup suddenly discovered 50GB of pictures that was modified and needed backup! F... them!
HEcK

Save XMP write changes setting as Preference

My workflow requires Lightroom to "Automatically write change into XMP". A new catalog requires checking this box in "Catalog Settings..." as the new catalog has the setting unchecked. (I would have thought XMP was a file setting, not a catalog setting.)
My preference is to have a Preference setting to check this box forever. Or, just move this checkbox to Preferences, since it applies to files -- assuming metadata will be written to the catalog regardless.

My workflow requires Lightroom to "Automatically write change into XMP". A new catalog requires checking this box in "Catalog Settings..." as the new catalog has the setting unchecked. (I would have thought XMP was a file setting, not a catalog setting.)
My preference is to have a Preference setting to check this box forever. Or, just move this checkbox to Preferences, since it applies to files -- assuming metadata will be written to the catalog regardless.

5 stars not showing up on other computers when importing images that have been worked on. Catalogues settings include write metadata to xmp keywords do show up though

our working group usually one team member imports and completes job in lightroom 5 . All settings on team computers include write metadata to xmp. Key words show up if another team member adds the images to their catalogue but the 5 stars don't show up.
We use the 5 stars to show images that were worked on and complete.
Would love to sort this issue out as we rely on being able to see the star rating not just keywords.

[Sorry for the delay in getting back.] Of the three files you included in the Dropbox .zip, 2 had no rating, and 1 had a 5-star rating (*research*.dng). So indeed, the rating didn't get written to those two files and wouldn't show up when they were imported into another catalog.
A couple of suggestions:
1. Triple-check that the option Automatically Write Changes Into XMP is set in Catalog Settings > File Handling in everyone's Lightroom.
2. After someone sets the rating, check the thumbnail in Library grid mode -- does it have a badge in the upper-right corner indicating the metadata needs to be updated? If it does, then that means the metadata isn't getting written immediately back to the file:

When writing changes to XMP . . . ?

I'm using LR 3.2 -
When I select "automatically write changes into XMP" in the catalog settings my understanding is the LR either creates a XMP file for a modified image or if the image is a DNG then LR keeps the changes inside the DNG file.
My question is - are the changes also recorded in the LR catalog or are they only kept in the XMP or DNG file?
Thanks -
Adrian

Hi everyone;
Thank you for the multiple responses to my question.
My trail of events leading up to this was that one day LR crashed on me
and I lost my star ratings for 400 pictures. This was the first time LR
had ever lost data in my experience and I wanted to make sure it was the
last.
Thus I started using the XMP as a file option hoping that would save me
if/when LR crashed and corrupted my catalogue.
Some specific responses:
Louie -
My library is almost entirely DNG. Your points on that are well taken.
So when I modify a DNG file the whole file has to be rewritten you are
saying? The data is not somehow appended?
I can live with backups being slower. Annoying sure, but not a deal
breaker for me.
DdeGannes -
You are correct about working within comfort zones. If I lost a days
worth of edits I'd be highly irate. I back up my catalogue
regularly as well, on multiple hard drives, especially after a big edit.
I don't - at least so far - have any use for the XMP data/files in any
other software either. I'm looking at this only as a form of security
blanket.
Everyone -
Thanks again for all the information. Much appreciated.
Adrian

Problem writing meta data changes in xmp in spite of enabled settings

Dear Adobe Community
After struggling with this for two full days and one night, you are my last hope before I give up and migrate to Aperture instead.
I am having problems with Lightroom 5 writing meta data changes into xmp and including development settings in JPEG, inspite of having ticked all three boxed in catalog settings.
In spite of having checked all boxes, Lightroom refused to actually perform the actions. I allowed the save action to take a lot longer than the saving indicator showed was needed, but regardless of this no edits made in the photo would be visible outside Lightroom. I also tried unticking and ticking and restarting my compute.
Therefore, I uninstalled the program and the reinstalled it again (the trial version both times). I added about 5000 images to Lightroom (i.e. referenced). After having made a couple of changes for one photo in development settings, I tried closing the program. However, then this message was then displayed:
I left the program open and running for about 5-5 hours, then tried closing the program, but the message still came up so I closed the program and restarted the computer. I tried making changes to another photo, saving and then closing and the same message comes up. The program also becomes unresponsive, and of course still no meta data has been saved to the photo, i.e. when opening it outside Lightroom, the edits of the photos is not shown.
What do do? I would greatly appreciate any insights, since I have now completely hit the wall.
Oh yes, that´s right:
What version of Lightroom? Include the minor version number (e.g., Lighroom 4 with the 4.1 update).
Lightroom 5.3
Have you installed the recent updates? (If not, you should. They fix a lot of problems.)
I installed the program two days ago and then for the second time today.
What operating system? This should include specific minor version numbers, like "Mac OSX v10.6.8"---not just "Mac".
Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10_8_5) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/31.0.1650.63 Safari/537.36
What kind(s) of image file(s)? When talking about camera raw files, include the model of camera.
JPEG
If you are getting error message(s), what is the full text of the error message(s)?
Please see screen dumps above
What were you doing when the problem occurred?
Trying to save metadata + trying to open images that it seemed I had saved meta data to
Has this ever worked before?
No
What other software are you running?
For some time Chrome, Firefox, Itunes. Then I closed all other software.
Tell us about your computer hardware. How much RAM is installed? How much free space is on your system (C:) drive?
4 GB 1333 MHz DDR3
Has this ever worked before? If so, do you recall any changes you made to Lightroom, such as adding Plug-ins, presets, etc.? Did you make any changes to your system, such as updating hardware, printers or drivers, or installing/uninstalling any programs?
No, the problems have been there all the time.

AnnaK wrote:
Hi Rob
I think you succeeded in partly convincing me. : ) I think I will go for a non-destrucitve program like LR when I am back in Sweden, but will opt for a destructive one for now. Unfortuntately, I have an Olypmus- so judging from your comment NX2 might not be for me.
Hi AnnaK (see below).
AnnaK wrote:
My old snaps are JPEG, but I recently upgraded to an Olympus e-pl5 and will notw (edited by RC) start shooting RAW.
Note: I edited your statement: I assume you meant now instead of not.
If you start shooting raw, then you're gonna need a raw processor, regardless of what the next step in the process will be. And there are none better for this purpose than Lightroom, in my opinion. As has been said, you can export those back to Lightroom as jpeg then delete the raws, if storage is a major issue, or convert to Lossy DNG. Both of those options assume you're willing to adopt a non-destructive workflow, from there on out anyway (not an absolute requirement, but probably makes the most sense). It's generally a bad idea to edit a jpeg then resave it as a jpeg, because quality gets progressively worse every time you do that. Still, it's what I (and everybody else) did for years before Lightroom, and if you want to adopt such a workflow then yeah: you'll need a destructive editor that you like (or as I said, you can continue to use Lightroom in that fashion, by exporting new jpegs and deleting originals - really? that's how you want to go???). Reminder: NX2 works great on jpegs, and so is still very much a candidate in my mind - my biggest reservation in recommending it is uncertainty of it's future (it's kinda in limbo right now).
AnnaK wrote:
Rob Cole wrote:
There is a plugin which will automatically delete originals upon export, but relying on plugins makes for additional complication too.
Which plugin is this?
Exportant (the option is invisible by default, but can be made visible by editing a text config file). To be clear: I do not recommend using Exportant for this purpose until after you've got everything else setup and functioning, and even then it would be worth reconsidering.
AnnaK wrote:
Rob Cole wrote:
What I do is auto-publish to all consumption destinations after each round of edits, but that takes more space.
How do you do this?
Via Publish Services.
PS - I also use features in 'Publish Service Assistant' and 'Change Manager' plugins (for complete automation), but most people just select publish collections and/or sets and click 'Publish' - if you only have a few collections/services it's convenient enough.
AnnaK wrote:
Would you happen to have any tips on which plugins I may want to use together with Photoshop Elements?
No - sorry, maybe somebody else does.
Did I get 'em all?
Rob

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