Is Lion better than Leopard 10.6.8? (It seems folks are frustrated after switch)

What are the pros and cons?

Well, obviously I'm not very savvy about technical things concerning computers. Oh well....I'm more the creative type. I actually have mobile me right now.
When you say PPC only applications...I don't even know what that means. Sorry.
What my question is, is...
It seems a lot of people are saying that they lost a lot of functions once it was installed. I'm wanting to know exactly...in reallly simple terms...what will be lost? Will iWork, iWeb, iMovie and all of those types of programs still work the same?

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Is mountain lion better than lion

Is mountain lion better than lion?

I'm going to differ from the others. I really really do not like Mountain Lion. It's been one headache after another. The biggest headache is the random freezes. Well, a lot of people report random freezing, but in my case it's freezing every hour on the hour.
Do a search for "Mountain Lion Freezes" and you're going to get tons of results with most people finding no resolution and a lot of people finding different reasons for their freezes.

Is the range of the extreme better than the express ?

IS the range of the extreme better than the express ?

My extreme seems to have better range also, although my extreme and express are located in different parts of my home. The extreme has an extra antenna, which aside from allowing a faster throughput speed, helps with range as well.

Is the Mountain Lion so much better than the Snow Leopard that make it worth buying?

Is the Mountain Lion so much better than the Snow Leopard that I'm currently using and worth the money to buy it? Is it more or less confusing to operate?

OS X 10.7-18.0+ will NOT run any current PPC based programs your running.
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If you have a MacPro like your signature says (the tower, not the laptop) then it's not going to have much of a performance loss as say the MacBook Pro's will.
Older, less powerful Mac's have performance losses with the newer OS X Lions, it might be best to stick with 10.6.8 on a older machine until it drops, then spend the money on all new software on a newer machine instead.
One guy was here today and had a 2007 Intel Core 2 Duo and it was struggling to run OS X Mountain Lion, Chrome and Photoshop.
It just didn't have the hardware horsepower for all that bloatware.
My advice if it's not a top end iMac or MacPro, then 2010 is the cut-off point, those 2010 machines and earlier are likely better off on 10.6.8 max.
It all depends upon one's perception of performance really.

I'm still using Snow Leopard because heard too many horror stories about upgrading to Lion. But I can't upgrade Safari unless I upgrade OS. Is Mavericks any better than Lion?

I'm still using Snow Leopard OS because I heard too many horror stories about people upgrading their OS to Lion. But I can't upgrade Safari anymore unless I upgrade the OS. I get messages constantly telling me I need to upgrade my web browser, and have increasing problems correctly viewing pages (like L.A. TImes, NY TImes) because Safari needs upgrading.
I can't really tell what the advantages are to upgrade to OS Mavericks or OS Yosemite because it seems most are intended for mobile apps, and I only use my desktop.
My last upgrade to SNow Leopard wiped out 2/3 of my iPhoto collection. No idea why and no fix. Macs used to be the epitome of compatibility for upgrades — not anymore.
What are my options? What issues would I encounter if I upgrade OS to Mavericks or to Yosemite? WHat are likely problems, advantages and disadvantages?
Thanks for any help sent my way.

If you do want to upgrade.
Check that your computer is compatible with Mountain Lion/Mavericks/Yosemite.
To check the model number hold down the option/alt key, go to the Apple menu and select System Information.
iMac (Mid 2007 or newer) model number 7,1 or higher
Your Mac needs:
OS X v10.6.8 or OS X Lion already installed
2 GB or more of memory (More is better - 4 GB minimum seems to be the consensus)
8 GB or more of available space
Check to make sure your applications are compatible. PowerPC applications are no longer supported after 10.6.
Application Compatibility
Applications Compatibility (2)
Do a backup before installing.
One option is to create a new partition (~30- 50 GB), install Mavericks, and ‘test drive’ it. If you like/don’t like it it, you can then remove the partition. Do a backup before you do anything. By doing this, if you don’t like it you won't have to go though the revert process.

My palm calendar wont open after Lion download. Palm is so much better than ical, is it not going to work w/ Lion?

Palm calendar won't open now that I've downloaded Lion. Palm is so much better than ical. Is there a fix?

I miss Palm Desktop for Mac. The integration of contacts, to-dos, notes, appointments, etc. was great. I stopped using it about a year ago when I finally sold my Palm Tungsten T and purchased and iPhone 4. iCal etc. work fine for me, but they're not as good as Palm Desktop was.
I also miss Graffiti 1 handwriting recognition. I could write with it as fast and flawlessly as I can write longhand on paper, and nearly as fast as I can type. It was the best for meetings and interviews, since I could write without having to look at the screen. iOS has nothing that comes close; I've gotten used to the onscreen keyboard but it's slower, I make far more mistakes, and I have to keep my eye on the screen while typing.
As others have pointed out, Palm Desktop was written for PPC processors. Lion does not include and cannot run Rosetta, which is the emulation environment which allowed Intel processors to run PPC code. So Palm Desktop will not run on a Mac running Lion.
I was syncing to my Palm Tungsten T under Snow Leopard (and using Palm Desktop) with no troubles at all. There are third-party sync options available, but they're all kludgy and unreliable compared to Palm's own syncing. Again, though, the Palm software for syncing was written for PPC processors and so won't run on any Mac booting into Lion.

AEBS setup behaves differently on Lion Server than Snow Leopard

I have a small office setup with a Mac Mini Server running Lion server, a Canon Wifi printer scanner and a Canon USB A3 printer connected to an AEBS which is in turn connected to the buildings network gateway for internet access. We have 3 MacBook Pros (snow leopard) which connect wirelessly and the Mac Mini has an ethernet cable to the AEBS. Fairly simple and we just have 1 manual IP address for the server with the AEBS doing DHCP and NAT.
The issue I have is that if I change the AEBS settings using Airport Utility on a Mac Book Pro (the first time I just changed the DNS numbers to Googles free set and nothing else), I lose internet connectivity. I can get a partial connection if I also set the subnet to 255.0.0.0 (most websites load, but maybe 10% fail). Consistent and repeatable behaviour - every time I change the AEBS settings I lose the internet and the same websites fail to load.
I can get everything working again by using the Mac Mini server to change something on the AEBS, or just restart the AEBS. In which case I can use the recommended subnet mask of 255.255.255.192 and everything works as it should.
So my question is Why?? Does the Server change some background ports, or retain some link to the AEBS which stops it functioning if I use a non-server machine to make a change??
One bit of background: When I first got the Mac Mini Server I let it take control of the AEBS setup - It asked, and I let it, but this activated the 802.1x security and required a login to the server before access to the wifi was granted. A nice feature but the Canon wireless scanner/printer does not support this, so I had to stop this and set the aebs manually, so I could use my scanner again. Is it possible that some link has been retained from this?
I do have a full working setup now that I realise I have to use the server to operate the AEBS, but can anyone help with an explanation? It caused me a few months of partial internet access and lots of wasted time, so would like to know if there is a solution that would allow me to set the AEBS from any Mac on our LAN.
Thanks for taking the time to help!

Which services have been removed or depreicated?
You have to bear in mind that 'removed' or 'deprecated' only really means 'no longer bundled and supported by Apple'. Just because Mac OS X Lion Server doesn't ship with a foobar server that doesn't mean you can't download and install your own foobar server. It just won't be integrated into the Server Admin apps.
For example, Lion Server no longer ships MySQL Server. So download and install your own copy. It's not like the GUI apps gave you any control over the MySQL anyway, other than starting it up and controlling the network ports.
Likewise for print server. Some of the advanced print features such as quotas have been removed from the GUI, but you can implement them yourself.
Likewise with QuickTime Streaming Server, where the functionality is little more than a web service.
What features that have been enhanced?
Lion Server has simplified the setup of a server for small workgroups with simple requirements. If that's you then the whole experience may be enhanced since you're not swamped with a slew of options that you don't understand, or need.
I think a lot of people were also stymied by Snow Leopard Server because they expected the GUI apps to cover all the options, which was never the case.
So my original point stands. There is pretty much nothing you cannot do in Lion Server than you could do in Snow Leopard Server, it's just that it might not be supported by the GUI. Most serious server admins eschew Server Admin.app anyway since even Snow Leopard Server's admin app doesn't cover all the capabilities of some of the services, so you end up driving it via the command line anyway.

Is Lion Server Better than SL Server?

For those of you who have upgraded your Snow Leopard servers to Lion, is it worth it? I have upgraded my desktop Macs and my MBP to Lion, but I hesitate to upgrade the Mac mini servers I am running for my company because of upgrade glitch and performance concerns.
My impression of Lion at this point is that most of the enhancements are in the user controls and the desktop, which are not important issues for the servers. The Macs that I upgraded from SL to Lion actually appear to be more sluggish than before, particularly when it comes to network performance and streaming, so I have yet to see an actual performance advantage beyond the changes to the user interface.
I also have a lot of web applications using MySQL and I have read reports of the Lion upgrade breaking MySQL from the SL install. I am also running the Apache security module (ModSecurity), which was difficult to install in SL. I had to manually build the library files for it so I'm assuming the Lion upgrade will break the ModSecurity installation.
Are my fears unfounded or will an upgrade to Lion from SL be problematic on a production server that's run for a business?

I wouldn't upgrade it yet on a production machine since there are issues. Actually it's probably best to do it on a test Server and manually migrating the data over to Lion Server at this point.
It's true a lot of things break if you just do a plain upgrade over SLS since I upgraded my own test server to evaluate Lion Server before upgrading my clients SLS. I have yet seen any upgrades from any server version work well. Something normally doesn't transfer well and best to manually migrate stuff.
If you do a clean install of Lion and then Install Lion Server most things work pretty well so far such as mail and apache, and OD.
NOTE: However you need to have at least at DNS already running on another machine so when Lion Server does a reverse name lookup, It'll find the name of the server. If you at any point change the name of the Lion Server, you'll break links and other stuff don't seem to work well. This also solves the issue of nstat_lookup_entr failed.
So far I've Installed Pure-FTPd Manager 1.8 and Recompiled pure-ftpd 1.0.32 and works fine in 10.7 Server. I'll give more of a progress report over the next few days as I configure the server to my liking.
Even though Apple removed mysql in Lion Server. You can install mysql from mysql.com, Mac OS 10.6 64bit version. As for what I read online, it should work. I've installed it but haven't tested it yet, but should have it running in the next day and see how it runs.

Lion or Snow Leopard?

So I have the standard operating system that already came on my macbook pro. But I am thinking of doing a software update and am torn wheter to go with Lion or Snow Leopard? Which one works better? And should I even get a software update?

Your MBP came with OS X 10.6.3 installed on it. That is Snow Leopard. According to the system info that appears below your post, you've already updated to 10.6.8, the last Snow Leopard version, so the only further step you can take is Lion. Don't do that until you've verified that all the software you use and depend upon is compatible with Lion, or can be updated or upgraded for compatibility with Lion at prices you can afford. Update your other software for Lion compatibility as needed before upgrading to Lion.
If you use any software that was written for the PowerPC processor and not updated for Intel processors, it won't run in Lion. You will need to find replacements for any such software, and install the replacements before installing Lion.
Whether it makes sense for you to upgrade to Lion now or stick with Snow Leopard for a while longer is not something anyone else can tell you. You'll need to make the decision for yourself, based on what features in Lion are attractive to you, how much of a hassle and expense it might be to get all your other software in shape for Lion first, whether there is any new software you want to buy that requires Lion, and how well your hardware matches up with Lion's hardware requirements. Lion is hungrier for hardware resources than Snow Leopard, and many users find that it's a little slower on their machines than Snow Leopard was. It's possible that in many cases that may be due to new features that Snow Leopard didn't have, so there may be an upside as well as the small performance downside, or it may be that the performance hit could be eliminated by turning off a feature or two; I don't know.
For myself, I've chosen not to upgrade to Lion yet. Snow Leopard does everything I really need, and the PowerPC email application I've used for about 15 years won't run in Lion. So until I figure out how to transfer my 225MB of archived email into a new application successfully, I won't be moving to Lion. When I get a new iPhone at my contract renewal date in April and have one that can use iCloud, that may trigger the upgrade to Lion for me. By then I imagine Lion will probably be at version 10.7.3 or 10.7.4, and some more of the little bugs in it will have been squashed. I'm no believer in rushing to adopt the latest OS version as soon as it's released, because there are always some bugs. I let others discover and wrestle with those, while I just keep working along in the mature and stable OS that I have. I feel no need to be out on the leading edge.

HT1771 why did apple erase ichat? its so much better than messages and now I cant video chat with my ichat buddies

why did apple erase ichat? its so much better than messages and now I cant video chat with my ichat buddies!!!

HI,
Apple did not erase iChat.
Messages in Mountain Lion is iChat +
The plus bit is the fact you can iMessage iOS devices.
All the other features that were in iChat are still there.
If you upgraded Lion to get to Mountain Lion then in System Preferences > Mail, Contacts and Calendars you probably list all the iChat Accounts (Screen Names and IDs).
You may need to enable them for Messages.
They should also show up in Messages Menu > Preference > Accounts
Once those accounts (AIM and Jabber) are Enabled they can be viewed in a Combined Buddy List
Windows Menu > Buddies (Or using CMD + 1 Keystrokes)
In the General Section of the Preferences you can Unlink these Buddy lists.
The Green icons or highlight a Buddy and then using the Buddies Menu or the icons at the Bottom of the Buddy list can be used the same way to start Video or Audio Only chats.
The iMessage "Account" is only for texting iOS devices or other people using their Apple ID on a Mac in Messages.
It is an account "in addition to" rather than "taking over from" the services that iChat can join.
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Can I upgrade to Lion from Snow Leopard?

I currently have a MacBook Pro with Snow Leopard installed. I'm planning on getting one of the new iMacs as well. I was considering using the migration assistant to copy user, applications, etc., from my MacBook Pro, to the new iMac. So I'm thinking that for compatibility purposes, I should NOT wait and get an iMac with Lion, then try to use the migration assistant to migrate from Snow Leopard to Lion. So please tell me if this plan seems reasonable:
1. Purchase an iMac now, and use the migration assistant to copy stuff from my laptop.
2. Then upgrade the laptop and iMac from Snow Leopard to Lion when it's released.
My concern would be whether installed apps are compatible with Lion.
I'm a longtime linux user, and must say I am very impressed with Mac OS X! I still prefer linux for running server applications, but Mac OS X on the desktop is better than linux AND windows!
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But most important of all: Can it run crysis ? Jokes apart:
I wouldn't get excited about Lion. I can spend hours about making an OS a real "think different" experience.
But since nobody will be paying for that and since many people before me tried hard to make Apple developers understand what to be improved, Apple just trash those suggestions. For Example:
It must have been how many versions of Preview where if you type in a PDF document search a phrase like "I want to Go" the Preview shows each I each Want each To each Go in a PDF. C'mon.
Did you see Spaces in Lion? Was it really necessary to change it? C'mon this is like a psychotic housewife that likes to move furnitures around once in a while until some furniture got broken.
You know when Apple was really different when there weren't any "OMG and I was lik you knoww, really and it was like you knowww yeah cool yeah cool" college girls who know have an apple just to show off the apple logo on front of their device. Is this the payback for a 1000 $ computer? It's humiliating. Truly. Now if we want to be serious let's be truly serious.

Is it possible to install Lion on the second hard disk on my Mini (2010) Snow Leopard Server, and switch between Lion and Snow Leopard? I like those voices Lion has in speech.

Is it possible to install Lion on the second hard disk on my Mini (2010) Snow Leopard Server, and switch between Lion and Snow Leopard? I like those voices Lion has in speech.

When baltwosaid NO emphatically, that was described as CORRECT ANSWER. Ditto in the caeses of the radically different answers from Camelotand Matt Clifton
Could it be that CORRECT ANSWER needs better defining by Apple?
That apart, yes, switching might involve rebooting. About the voices, well, I was the other day adding voice to a commentary in a video I was working on. There's only American English accent in SL — Lion I believe has British ones as well.
Why not, I wondered, try to install Lion purely for academic interest, maybe with an SD card (Sandisk Ultra II, 16GB) as Tom Nelson says is possible at http://macs.about.com/od/macoperatingsystems/ss/Perform-A-Clean-Install-Of-Os-X- Lion-On-Your-Mac.htm

IMac 2011 Lion to Snow Leopard if needed?

Hi all.
I've posted in another discussion about my gradual move over from PC to Mac and the possibility of dual booting but this thought occurred to me. I'm now looking at getting an iMac after using a borrowed mini for a few weeks but finding that multiple monitors/keyboards etc are getting in the way. Plus I need the floorspace the PC is taking up so KVMs and the like aren't really an option.
Anyway, I don't know where Apple are up to at the minute with their hardware/software combinations but if I were to buy a new 27" iMac tomorrow (I'm not: not THAT soon anyway) would it come with Snow Leopard and Snow Leopard installation discs? Would it have Lion preinstalled? If it DID would it come with any discs at all? I believe the recovery partition would handle that part of things (dead HDD notwithstanding) so my suspicion is that no recovery media would be included.
Now, what if I REALLY didn't like Lion or found it had too many problems with my other hardware (I currently have a Lacie NAS drive for example!!) is there any way I could replace Lion with Snow Leopard? Would a retail boxed version, which I think is 10.6.3 have the necessary drivers or at least adequate ones to boot and run Software Update? Would the install disc that came with the MacMini work? My first thought is no it wouldn't. Am I right in thinking the installation discs that ship with a machine are model specific? Would an iMac preinstalled with Lion even be capable of downgrading (we can discuss whether Snow Leopard is a downgrade or not another time)
Anyway, all suggestions welcome as long as they are clean.
Edit before posting: Having said all that if the rotten AppleTV/iTunes keeps losing Home Share connection and kicking me out after 10 minutes of watching a movie then I might just stay a PC user and sell the Apple stuff that isn't working to some unsuspecting numpty. Might just go over to THAT discussion in a minute and add my voice to the ones having issues.......

I suspect the person buying your equipment would be no more a numpty than the original purchaser. Ive been using Lion for some time now and it has frankly no more problems than any other newly introduced software/operating system.
I went through the Windows/PC to Apple a few years ago after much deliberation (and time wasting) I am glad I did it and would not go back. Hving said that I still have a Dell XPS Laptop that is purely used to run Quicken (Windows 7) and nothing else. I could do this with Paralells or bootcamp, but at the moment I see no point. Make the jump to Apple you will probably not regret it. Your wallet might.
My Apple TV works perfectly unless my wireless network is playing up and I suspect Apple cannot do much about that.

Dual boot drive - Mountain Lion and Snow Leopard - Correct order to load software /apps?

Hi
I want to create a dual boot drive for Mountain Lion and Snow Leopard as some of my hardware (is not supported in Mountain Lion).
I am happy how to do this, I just want to know if there is a correct way to install software and apps.
My plan was to do a clean install of both using two partitions, the larger going to ML and smaller one for SL. I was going to install SL from the DVD and then after updating from 10.6. to 10.6.8 and download ML from the app store and install on the larger partition.
Do I install all the software I use like Final Cut, Aperture, iLife (for Garageband) etc on the ML or SL partition or on both. Also, is there a better way / practise of the order software updates / apps and boxed software should be installed when doing a clean machine install.
Thanks in advance.
Matt

Thanks mende1
So, if I have software I need to use on both ML and SL - for example Final Cut as I have a Canopus AVDC box which is not supported in ML but only SL, do I need to install the same software in both OS?
I usually open apps using spotlight and didn't know if it would software / apps would open if already installed on the other partition?
Thanks again
Matt

I am a macbook pro user form last 2 yrs, recently i upgraded to Mountain Lion from Snow leopard. Since then operational speed is a major concern. Now It has crashed so very badly that I am scared of my data.Please help me.

I am a macbook pro user form last 2 yrs, recently i upgraded to Mountain Lion from Snow leopard. Since then operational speed is a major concern. Now It has crashed so very badly that I am scared of my data.Please help me.

Reinstalling Lion/Mountain Lion Without Erasing the Drive
Boot to the Recovery HD: Restart the computer and after the chime press and hold down the COMMAND and R keys until the menu screen appears. Alternatively, restart the computer and after the chime press and hold down the OPTION key until the boot manager screen appears. Select the Recovery HD and click on the downward pointing arrow button.
Repair the Hard Drive and Permissions: Upon startup select Disk Utility from the main menu. Repair the Hard Drive and Permissions as follows.
When the recovery menu appears select Disk Utility. After DU loads select your hard drive entry (mfgr.'s ID and drive size) from the the left side list. In the DU status area you will see an entry for the S.M.A.R.T. status of the hard drive. If it does not say "Verified" then the hard drive is failing or failed. (SMART status is not reported on external Firewire or USB drives.) If the drive is "Verified" then select your OS X volume from the list on the left (sub-entry below the drive entry,) click on the First Aid tab, then click on the Repair Disk button. If DU reports any errors that have been fixed, then re-run Repair Disk until no errors are reported. If no errors are reported click on the Repair Permissions button. Wait until the operation completes, then quit DU and return to the main menu.
Reinstall Lion/Mountain Lion: Select Reinstall Lion/Mountain Lion and click on the Continue button.
Note: You will need an active Internet connection. I suggest using Ethernet if possible because it is three times faster than wireless.

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