Is random shutdown a problem on newly purchased MBs as well?

I am considering buying a couple of macbooks for my kids, but am troubled by all these reports of the random shutdown problem. Has anyone experienced this problem on macbooks purchased since say mid-August, or is it only on the original factory run? i.e. I am wondering if Apple has figured out the hardware problem and quietly fixed it? The alternative is a Fujitsu laptop (which I am typing on now--have had it for two years and it's great but my kids like the macbook). Any feedback from newer macbook owners would be appreciated. Thanks.

I'm not a new Macbook owner but certainly read this forum enough to know that the random shutdown problem isn't isolated to specific dates of manufacture. Those who are affected have machines ranging from the earliest to the most recent.
That said, if you search around here, you'll also read again and again that the number of people affected is very small. There has been a figure of 10% thrown around, which isn't exactly scientific in its basis.
Buy the machines. Your kids will love you, you'll love yourself and all will be right with the world. Apple isn't going to just let this thing continue. When they find a lasting fix, they'll implement it somehow, either through a recall or on a case by case basis. The benefits of owning a Macintosh over a PC really do far outweigh the potential that one could be stricken with a problem that will soon be fixed.
Then again, you may never have the problem at all. I have not and have been using this one since late May/early June.

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    com.apple.driver.AppleHDAPlatformDriver          1.7.1a2
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    1   libSystem.B.dylib                       0x92f6b1d2 start_wqthread + 30
    Thread 15:
    0   ???                                     0000000000 0 + 0
    Thread 0 crashed with X86 Thread State (32-bit):
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      edi: 0x1364ba50  esi: 0x00000000  ebp: 0xbffff408  esp: 0xbffff3c0
       ss: 0x0000001f  efl: 0x00010286  eip: 0x000b62c2   cs: 0x00000017
       ds: 0x0000001f   es: 0x0000001f   fs: 0x00000000   gs: 0x00000037
      cr2: 0x00000010
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