Is Retrospect Necessary if have Backup 3?

I am finally getting serious about backing up and forming a consistent backup plan for my computer. I think I have Backup 3 setup right for my home folder to be backed up on iDisk but I haven't tested it to be sure yet.
My next plan is to back up my data to at least one external hard drive and or DVD's at least once a month. I also have a ton of media files that I will need to store seperetatly and backup as my powerbook does not have the room for all that media. Is backup 3 good enough to organize a plan for this or should I take a look at retrospect? thanks for your help.

Hi, 10smom
1. You wrote: "75 gb capacity on mac. 100 gb external hd. Plan on adding another external hardrive as 2nd backup. How large should i get if want to use part for media data storage as well? "That all depends on (a) just how much "media storage" capacity you want, and (b) what types of backups you'll be creating on the second hard drive.
If you read my previously-cited"Backup and Recovery" FAQ, there are some guidelines therein on sizing / setting up a FireWire drive for backup and additional uses.
You could also go on the assumption of 75 GB + whatever media storage space you think you will want. Drives in the 250 GB range are getting pretty cheap these days...I always recommend buying more than you think you need.
2. The other question you have to ask yourself is the following: what is your plan to backup the data on the space used as "media storage"? If all the "media" being stored is also on your Mac, then a full backup of your Mac's (presumably single) hard drive will back up the "media," by which I presume you mean things like photos, movies, and the like.
If you plan on archiving "media" from your Mac to the "media storage" space, i.e. moving — not copying — it from your Mac to the media storage space on the new FireWire drive, then you'll want to backup the media storage space or risk losing "the media" stored therein.
Good luck!
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=======================================================
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=======================================================
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