Is t431s msata SATA 2 or 3?

Since we don't have the ultrabay any longer here it theoretically could use 3? See subject.
Thanks, Jan
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Sorry for this late reply as I just got this information.  T431s M.2 port is SATA-3  (6Gbps)

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