Is the Macbook 17 a revision?

I want to get a Macbook and it sounds like the 17" is a revised one, am I right? I won't tolerate any whine and heat problems after spending all that money. I want it to be as wonderful as my intel iMac.

if you do mnot mind the footprint being a bit bigger
then I would go for the 17"
it is a better deal moneywise (more features for your cash)
and with the larger footprint it has more room to cool....
i have not heard of any problems with them regarding heat and whine
only touched one in fact....
but based on what i have read here and other forums and seen with the MBP 15 first ahnd
go for the 17" if you can deal with the size
I own a 15" and was lucky.. perfect machine
17" too big for me
I have desktops for that
either way you go.. they are beautiful machines
but for you, if your concerned, go 17

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What the Macbook Pro should have

Hi guys, 2 weeks ago I purchased my first Apple laptop - the Macbook Pro 13", before that (and still sometimes) I used PC. Even though the design is great, there are things that could be done to make it perfect. Here is my list, please tell me what you think about it.
1 - A delete button one the keyboard, I noticed that the Macbook Pro doesn't have one before purchasing it, but after using if for 2 weeks noticed how important it is.
2 - The 2 USB ports are quite inconvenient because they are next to each other, it would be more convenient if they are from both sides instead, like Macbook Air. I have devises that are a bit wider than the other ones, so when one of these is plugged in, the other USB port is unusable. Speaking of which USB 2.0 isn't good! The ThunderBolt port is great but there are no devises yet that can take any advantage of it, so in the meantime USB 3.0 would be great.
3 - HDMI port - most of the laptops already have it, I don't see why none of the Macbooks has it. If I want to connect my Macbook Pro to my TV, I have to spend extra money on MiniDisplay to HDMI adaptor (it's not like Apple products are any cheep, so spending extra money on things that should have been there on first place is NOT good).
4 - Numerical Keyboard - I know there is no room for it, but a button like Caps Lock could be used, when it's pressed certain buttons from the keyboard could act only as numerical keyboard and when pressed again, the keyboard could be back to normal.
5 - The screen resolution of the 13" Macbook Pro should have been like the 13" Macbook Air.
6 - The CD Drive is unnecessary, nobody uses it nowadays. Nobody listens to music from a CD and nobody installs any software from a CD, everyone uses the Internet for these things, the little part of people who are still using CDs, DVDs, etc. have other devises such as: DVD or Blue-ray players, HiFi systems and Desktops. The room that is taken by the Optical Disk could be used for a bigger battery.
7 - Better cooling system - when watching a move the laptop gets so hot that I literally can't put it on my lap (lol what a paradox, a laptop that cannot be put on a lap), also I would love to be able to close the lid and leave the laptop works (it is great when downloading big files or scanning software is used), but with that cooling system I'm afraid that it would overheat.
8 - Last but not least - The screen bezel. It's too big, Macbooks should be bezelless, it would make them much better looking.

DS had some great points, I'll chime in as well.
1.) I agree, it'd be handy to have. It definitely took some getting use to but once you do and modify your keyboard workflow it becomes second nature.
2.) I ended up investing a USB extension cable, Apple makes them I believe. At least they use to, I've had mine for years. While the cable dangling off the side of the machine is a bit of an annoyance, it's a necessity if I want to double up my AirCard (USB) with a thumb drive. USB 2.0 is still the "standard" and as such it's going to be the de facto peripheral port. Apple is historically slow about adopting non-standard peripheral interfaces unless they pioneer or champion it. It wouldn't surprise me if Apple still doesn't offer USB 3.0 this time next year. Thunderbolt/Light Peak is brand new tech, and as such it's going to take a while to have peripherals that support it. There are NAS devices that have it, they were just announced this week.
Here's a link regarding its deployment - http://www.tuaw.com/2011/04/13/intel-distributing-thunderbolt-developer-kits-thi s-quarter-more/
3.) I agree that HDMI would be nice but with Thunderbolt supporting HDMI, I really don't see Apple adding another video out port. There's no room left on the I/O strip on the 13" MBP for it. Apple use to include adapters (when the MBP first came out) but they've since stopped doing that and gouge with adapters. Thankfully there are numerous 3rd party offerings at a fraction of the price.
4.) I agree, I forget which "redesign" of the keyboard layout got rid of the Num Lock key. I know my 15" MBP (Santa Rosa) has it. I currently use my iPhone as my numerical keyboard, there's a great little app that pairs the phone to your computer via Bluetooth. It works great as an alternative.
5.) Marketing 101. By introducing it via a future revision this encourages current owners to want to upgrade/switch and thus move more units and tout it as a "feature upgrade." I was pretty shocked the i5/i7 update to the MBP 13" did not introduce the 1440 resolution.
6.) This is where you'll get disagreement. Rule #1 of proper Internet forum posting, don't use words like: everyone, everyone, most, all, nobody, no one, etc. Especially without evidence to back it up. While you don't use it, people do. I use mine daily, my co-workers use their drives daily. That's 11 people right there, which is 11 more than "nobody."
7.) Apple has never called their computer a "laptop." They've always referred to is as a portable computer. Matter of fact, they strongly discourage the use of their portable computers on your lap due to how the heat dissipation process works through the top case. So the problem(s) you're experiencing are to be expected, you're using the machine in a method that is not recommended by the manufacturer. They even discuss that in the "Getting Started" booklet that came with your machine.

How will the Macbook do in the long run ?

I will be buying a new Macbook when Leopard and iLife 07 are released. However, I have been increasingly hearing and reading negative feedback about the Intel GMA950 in the Macbook, so I've been looking to stretch my budget and get the low end 15" Macbook Pro instead. I know the GMA950 is sufficient for Core Image in Tiger and Leopard, but what when OS X.6 is released, say in about 2,5 tot 3 years ? I can't afford to buy a new Mac every 3 years. So basically, I'm wondering whether the Macbook is a 'futureproof' investment. I simple cannot believe that 64Mb of video memory will be sufficient, especially when you see that every graphics card you can find, even the cheap ones, carry 128Mb or more. I'm not going to ask whether the next revision of the Macbook will feature an improved graphics system, or if more video memory can be allocated by a firmware update (although that will eat away even more system memory), but I think that many people are asking themselves these questions. I don't need a powerful videocard now, since I'm not a gamer and don't do heavy 3D-stuff ; I'll be using my macbook for photo-editing (low end photoshop elements - plan to wait for universal binary), video-editing (iMovie, maybe Final Cut Express), iDVD, webdesign (Rapidweaver),... so really no high-end stuff. So I'm only 'thinking about the future' ! Thx for any feedback !

GMA950 shares memory the 64 MB is with the 512 MB ram. The more ram you have the more is shared I believe. Here is the spec on this site.
Memory available to Mac OS X may vary depending on graphics needs. Minimum graphics memory usage is 80MB, resulting in 432MB of system memory available on 1.83GHz models and 944MB of system memory available on 2.0GHz models.
This is with the stock memory that comes in each.
It varies depending on what you are doing and RAM installed.
I don't think any computer is "futureproof" but I personally think the MacBook is good enough for what you describe and will be for quite a while. I use it now with 1.25 gig of ram and watch movies in the background while working in photoshop CS. I have also run two different movies at the same time in separate windows to view differences as I work on them. No lag or problems have been noticed when I do this.
If you can afford it get the macbook pro but I don't think you will be disappointed with the macbook. You definitely get a lot of bang for your buck.
Mort

Question re: 1920x1200 RGB LED Display and the Macbook Pros LED display.

My question to the Apple guys here is. What type of LED technology is used in the MacBook Pro's LED display?
I just did a side by side with my buddies new 15" MBP and my new DELL Studio 1737 which has a 1920x1200 which has RGB LED display. I had it second day air FEdEx shipped because I was dying to see this new tech.
And did it blow us away, supposedly since its this new RGB LED it displays something around 98% or 110% of the NTSC color gamut very accurate for graphics and photo work.
My buddy almost dropped when we saw the color accuracy and differences with the MBP. And why hasn't Apple adopted this superior technology?

What do you mean they don't have LED its right on the main page.
Read it carefully, it says "Ultrathin 15-inch LED-backlit display." The "LED-backlit display" part means that the backlighting is LED (as opposed to fluorescent), not the display panel itself (which is LCD).
...Dell has the RGB LED backlighting....
The Dell display you referred to is an RGB LED display, it doesn't have (or need) backlighting. It uses red, green and blue light emitting diodes to produce images, as opposed to a liquid crystal display, which uses color filtered backlighting to produce images.
its confusing why Apple has not adopted this new tech to its high end $3,000 MBP 17 models.
Yet. The 17" MBPs are reportedly due for a significant hardware revision next month. In any case, RGB LED displays have their own performance issues when compared to LCD displays, so don't get too excited, and they may not be thin enough to fit Apple's ultrathin design philosophy.
I have no idea what RGB LED was it just seemed better, and boy did it pay off.
I'm sure you'll have loads of fun with Windows Vista.

Why is the MacBook Pro Serial ATA transfer speed half that of the new iMac?

I have a MacBook Pro 2.4 GHz 15.4 inch with a Seagate Momentus 160 GB, 7200 rpm, serial ATA, PRT hard drive. This hard drive has a serial ATA transfer speed rating of 3.0 Gigabits per second. The MBP logic board has an Intel 965 chip set that has a serial transfer speed rating of 3.0 Gigabits per second. I was at the Mac Store the other day and noticed that the new iMac 20 and 24 inch computers (that have the same intel 965 chip set) have an Intel ICH8-MAHCI speed rating of 3.0 Gigabits per second. My question is why does the MacBook and MacBook Pro's only have an Intel ICH8-M AHCI speed rating of 1.5 Gigabits per second? Attached is a copy of my Serial-ATA information:
Intel ICH8-M AHCI:
Vendor: Intel
Product: ICH8-M AHCI
Speed: 1.5 Gigabit
Description: AHCI Version 1.10 Supported
ST9160823AS:
Capacity: 149.05 GB
Model: ST9160823AS
Revision: 3.DAE
Serial Number: 5NK03DBN
Native Command Queuing: Yes
Queue Depth: 32
Removable Media: No
Detachable Drive: No
BSD Name: disk0
OS9 Drivers: No
S.M.A.R.T. status: Verified
Volumes:
Macintosh HD:
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Available: 78.21 GB
Writable: Yes
File System: Journaled HFS+
BSD Name: disk0s2
Mount Point: /
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For several reason although the main one is that the vast majority of 2.5" drives have a 1.5Gbps interfacce. Drives with a 3Gbps interface in this size are rare where as they're very common in the 3.5" drive size which is used in the iMac.
Additionally you'll find that few drives do in fact make use of this larger bandwidth. For instance, the fastest 3.5" SATA drive one can buy for an iMac/Mac Pro up to 500GB is in fact a Western Digital Raptor 150GB which has an SATA I 1.5Gbps interface. So the interface bandwidth isn't everything. Yes there are faster drives than this now but they are in the 750GB size and up.

Macbook Pro March Revision - How To

I am looking to upgrade the memory in my macbook pro that currently has 4gigs. I heard that there was a revision in March 09 and those macbooks could get 8 gigs. I don't recall when I purchased mine, and I have had a logic board replaced since then was well. Is there a way to tell in the Profiler if the macbook is indeed the March revision?
Matt

i agree with Niel here. I had a friend who i helped do a memory swap on. You can only upgrade to 6GB.

A few days ago i bought the macbook pro in a Providence. In late Summer i will come back to my Country - Ukraine. I would like to know about a tax for my laptop. Can i return tax? Through the TAX FREE or return in airport? What should i do?

A few days ago i bought the macbook pro in a Providence. In late Summer i will come back to my Country - Ukraine. I would like to know about a tax for my
laptop. Can i return tax? Through the TAX FREE or return in airport? What should i do?

You need to talk with the tax authorities in the countries to which you traveled and that of your home country. We are all end-users liek you and not Apple agents.

I got a new macbook pro and am having a great deal of trouble with it from the start! But other than that, which I will get to, I have had macs since the one following Lisa and I am a diehard apple fan, yet now with the macbook pro and Lion and its

I could not download the upgrade to the mountain lion. my updates were taking an enormous amount of time for other programs. When I finally got the indication it was waiting to be downloaded I had to shut down. It was after 2 am and I was practically unconscious already with all the trauma of trying to find the right place for the redeem of the code to open the password. It was all confusing and poorly communicated by Apple. The terrible deterioration of Apple's written communications by non-American techies who can't write for easy understanding, even by this old time tech afficianado is heart-breaking and frustrating is putting the effects mildly. I have not yet gone back to the mac book pro to finish the job. I am too frustrated and unhappy with the new system. Also, I found out the hard way that my time capsule saved files on the macbook Snow Leopard, which still works fine after 6 years of use, is locked in that external drive and I cannot transfer the items except one by one or by folders on that computer to a DVD or to a flash drive, to mport to this new computer. Because the systems are not the same, I can't access the files automatically. I fear I will have further problems with the mountain lion vs. lion in seeing those files. What can I do? What should I do? I am afraid to designate an external hard drive I purchased with the new laptop for the time capsule because then it won't work with any other computer. I read of terrible incompatibility issues and crashes and things not working right once Mountain Lion was installed and now I am terrified they will happen to me. I just wanted the computer to be as easy to use as all the other macs I have and have had and now it is more like a horribly complicated and difficult Microsoft IBM compatible PC. I hate this. Perhaps Apple wanted to appeal to new Apple users and tried to make them comfortable while disregarding the comfort of loyal Apple users? It's a sell-out. Meanwhile, I have to get senior tech people because the kids who try to answer my questions much of the time don't interpret what i am telling them and it takes a pro. Perhaps the kids can answer what I should do in preferenced to scroll the screen, since the scroll indicators disappear and I can't see them and have to resort to using the arrows on the keyboard, which is not the way I like to work. Please advise me about all of these things!

Use the trackpad to scroll, thats what it was designed for. The scroll bars automatically disappear when not being used and will appear if you scroll up or down using the trackpad.
This is a user-to-user forum and most people will post on here if they have problems. You very rarely get people posting to say there update went smooth. The fact is the vast majority of Mountain Lion users will not be experiencing any major problems with the OS, or maybe with apps which are not compatible, but thats hardly Apple's fault if developers don't update their apps.

I'm having trouble downloading an update to my MacBook Pro. It comes up with my husband's name even though the MacBook is registered under my name and I have my own ITunes acct. how do I get his name off the ITunes update on my Mac

I'm trying to download an automatic update from ITunes but when I click on "Update" it comes up with the message, "You have updates available for other accounts" an tells me to sign in to my husband's account, even though the MacBook is registered in my name and I have my own ITunes account. My husband has his own MacBook and ITunes acct. How do I fix?

Anything Downloaded with a Particular Apple ID is tied to that Apple ID and Cannot be Merged or Transferred to a Different Apple ID.
Apple ID FAQs
http://support.apple.com/kb/HE37

Recently my keyboard on my macbook pro died. i backed up the machine to my Seagate 500GB hard drive, successfully, and sent the notebook in for repairs. Now that the macbook is repaired, i can read from the seagate, but not write to it. It says read only.

Recently my Macbook Pro's keyboard failed. Using my wireless keyboard, i managed to backup everything to my 500gb Seagate external hard drive. I sent the machine in, had the keyboard repaired, and now the machine is back, and i am loading my content back onto the macbook. My problem is that the drive is now read only, and i have searched for all the obvious fixes. The lock on the permissions secion of the info block on the drive. (not present). I have even tried disk utility, but all the options are greyed out.
I am a graphic designer, and so i use my external drive extensively to move artwork around, so it is important that i can make it writable. It worked perfectly on this very same machine, two weeks ago, and nothing has changed on the drive, so i can only assume it is a software issue on the operating system.
I have read through all the forums, etc, and can find nothing that works. I am loath to change anything on the drive, as it was working perfectly on this system before the system went in for its repair.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
-Captain Zub-

Please post a screenshot of Disk Utility that shows what you mean. Be careful not to include any private information.
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How will an external Hard drive designed for the macbook Pro work with my White Macbook? My white macbook has a Firewire 400 and the G-Tech HD has a 800 to 400 compatible cable for the firewire.

I am asking this because I want the G-Tech Hard drive says that it is designed for the macbook pro. Yet, I want to back up faster with by using my firewire 400 which is not an option on the one designed for the white macbook that does not have a firewire (only a USB port.) The G-Tech Hard drive comes with the 800 to 400 compatible cable and has 5400 RPM with 750 GB. Also, I've heard that laptops with low battery (mine all the time) won't have the power for a bus powered Hard drive (as in no ac plug in adaptor.) Can I just plug in my laptop? Any one know the answers from experience with this hard drive?

As far as I know, if a harddrive works with a Macpro, it should work with the Macbook: if your Macbook is low on power, plug in the AC adapter
If your Macbook has a firewire port, then it should be fine. BUt i would do somemore research first.

I connected my external hard drive to my new imac to put all of the information from my macbook onto it. i have been working on the macbook now and want to reconnect the external hard drive so my imac is updated with the work. How is that done?

I connected my external hard drive to my new imac to put all of the information from my macbook onto it. I have been working on the macbook now and want to reconnect the external hard drive so my imac is updated with the work. How is that done? or is it possible?

As I said, I don't use Time Machine, so it'd be best to wait for an "expert" answer, but, with my very limited knowledge, I'd say: probably not - so, for now, I'd suggest you read up on Time Machine:
http://web.me.com/pondini/Time_Machine/Home.html
http://support.apple.com/kb/index?page=search&src=support_site.home.search&local e=en_US&q=time%20machine
And, you might be attracting more knowledgeable answers if you were to post this question in the Time Machine Forum (part of the Snow Leopard forums).

Could I Return the Macbook if...?

I've been reading the numerous posts regarding the mooing and whining of the macbook. It's extremely important to me to have a Macbook that runs silent. I've been hearing some report there is a whining and mooing, others report no sound at all. If I order it, and it comes and I notice the whining and/or mooing, would this be grounds for return? Or would Apple say something along the lines of, "that's expected," thus I'm stuck with the noisy Macbook. Thanks for your time in reading the post.

What it boils down to is if you have a "stock"
configuration you can return it (within 14 days I
believe) no questions asked. It doesn't matter if
it's just you don't like the color. You'll be charged
a "restocking" fee.
All that goes out the window if there's a problem. If
you buy a "custom" configuration and say the HD poops
out then you'll still be taken care of. You're not
abandoned from receiving warranty help because it's
not a stock MacBook.
ofcourse....i certainly wasn't suggesting that. i was merely pointing out that a "noisey" macbook doesn't mean it's a faulty machine. and if he bought online, upgraded the ram, apple found that the noise was "normal" and he still didn't like it....there are no returns on opened CTO machines. i know this from experience.

I got the MacBook Pro i7 15 inch with SSD and I am sorry . . .

it took them this long to come out with it and glad they did. My workflow is extremely fast and efficient. While using Photoshop and Lightroom and files around 74mb's each, my computer barely gets warm, loads these large image files in about 1 to 2 seconds and can do other things at the same time. If I have technical questions I call the help line and get a call back in 30 seconds.
Run time while working these files is a few hours on battery and I didn't expect more. So far I am a happy camper. I got 4gb's of RAM because after reading about the SSD and response, I felt I could get more later and cheaper, if needed. I am not sure what more RAM will do in my case as the load time with ALL functions in my image workflow are loaded in a blink of an eye, or faster but it is easy to do if needed. I also got the nonglare high definition screen and can really notice the difference coming form my G4 that is 5 years old.
No beach balls but one thing I haven't been able to get working is the TEchTool Deluxe. Since it downloads per advice of Apple I thought it was part of their system but it isn't so they aren't too much help, though they try.
The woofer system of the MacBook Pro is silly and not a subwoofer at all but other than that and the fact that one should really use external speakers for real sound, I am having a good time with this comptuter.

. . do that, have a leading line that is a beginning of a sentence.
I am enjoying this new computer and so far, it is living up to what they say it can do but it is actually faster than what I expected. I had read by some other where I post on image processing, that it still wasn't as fast as they would like so I am not sure what they are after. When I have an image of 74mb's that fully loads and is ready to work on in photoshop or Lightroom in 2 seconds or so, I can't complain at all. I also find that firewire 800 works like is is supposed to not as it did on my older Powerbook G4 that treated it more like 400 though it was supposed to be 800.

How can I change the default apple ID for app store. I bought the macbook from my school when I left and I'm the ID in place of mine is the computer departments one. How can i change it to mine?? Thanks

How can I change the default apple ID for app store. I bought the macbook from my school when I left and I'm the ID in place of mine is the computer departments one. How can i change it to mine?? Thanks

http://support.apple.com/kb/ht5621

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