Is there a way to force Adobe Reader to grab the sign on ID for a digital stamp?

I work for a state Agency and we want to use digital stamps as our signatures on our internal documents. I have created the form in LiveCycle and I know that in Adobe Reader by default the stamp will use the person's sign on ID for the stamp and then the person adds their name and other information.
However, if the person right clicks the stamp, and edits the Identity and puts in another sign on ID number, such as their supervisor's and stamps the document, there is no way to tell that both of those stamps, with different sign on IDs and names, were created by the same person.
If there is a script I can enter in LiveCycle, that when the form is opened in Adobe Reader, that would lock the Identity field of a stamp created in Adobe Reader from allowing a change to the sign on ID, then that would solve our problem and maybe the problem for other state agencies wanting to follow suit.
The digital signatures are even worse. I made one in my name, my supervisor's name and my dog's name, attached them all to a document, validated all the signatures and they look absolutely authentic. Why would Adobe make digital signatures like that? If we could just find some evidence within the data showing that all the signatures were applied by the same person or on the same computer, then we could use them. But the stamps at least grab that unique sign on number that we use and applies it to the stamp if the user doesn't alter it.
I'm on a time crunch as we hoped to launch this after the first of the year but our attorneys are saying, "uh, uh" until something can be done to prevent fraud. We have over 3,000 people in our agency so EchoSign would be out of the question.
I'd appreciate any suggestions.

You will not get what you need using stamps, especially if you ever want to use dynamic XFA forms.
The digital signatures that were signed with a self-signed digital ID won't fully validate unless the user chooses to trust the corresponding digital certificate first. You should only trust a digital certificate if you trust its source. The problem is using self-signed IDs will be difficult to use on the scale you're talking about.
Digital signatures are the best approach for your needs. They can provide both nonrepudiation of document origin as well as document integrity. You just have to figure out how to implement a solution you can afford.
You agency can become its own certificate authority and issue certificates to its employees. You'd just have to find a way to implement and manage such a system.

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    -----Original Message-----
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    -----Original Message-----
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    Thanks in advance.
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    Hello Venkat,
    I probably should have mentioned this before. Your are correct. Forte is
    doing a host lookup if you are providing a name for example machine1:5000.
    You can bypass the host lookup by using the actual ip dot address instead
    for example 255.255.255.255:5000. This way you are taking the name service
    out od the picture and Forte will use the address provided.
    Sean
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Venkat Kodumudi [mailto:[email protected]]
    Sent: Monday, June 22, 1998 9:27 AM
    To: 'Sean Brown'
    Cc: [email protected]
    Subject: RE: Is there a way to have 2 network cards on the same machine
    My requirement is that my second card serves as best case performance
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    environment
    manager
    set FORTE_LOCATIONS=card1:0 (the 0 in the port causes the OS to pick a
    port)
    and start partition one
    set FORTE_LOCATIONS=card2:0 and start partition two
    and so on....
    In this scenario the environment manager will be listening on both cards
    but
    each server will be listening on only one of the two cards. So if a
    request
    comes in for partition1 it will go through card one and if it is for
    partition two it will go through card two. You could assign your
    partitions
    to cards based on expected load.
    Well, I am done. I hope this helps!
    Sean
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Venkat Kodumudi [mailto:[email protected]]
    Sent: Thursday, June 18, 1998 8:06 AM
    To: 'Sean Brown'; 'John Jamison'
    Cc: [email protected]; Jose Suriol
    Subject: RE: Is there a way to have 2 network cards on the same machine
    Sean,
    Thanks for your reply. I tried the approach. I was not very specific in
    my
    question. I do need the ability for server applications to listen and
    server
    on both the network cards.
    I was succesfully able to make the nodemgr listen on both the cards and
    actually serve requests coming in from both the cards. But, following your
    advise, I took a cautious step with FORTE_LOCATIONS. Here is what I
    noticed.
    I have an application that has 6 partitions in total. I used
    FORTE_LOCATION
    to make it listen on 1. Both the cards. 2. Swapped the IP addresses for
    both
    cards for this application. 3. One card that I want it to listen on. I
    tried
    all approaches by exporting the locations variable for just this
    application. The nodemgr recieves a request from this pc connected on the
    second card to talk to one of the partitions. The node mgr responds with a
    proxy - with the ip address and socket number of the first card. The
    FORTE_NS_ADDRESS variable looks like this:
    IP1:5002;IP2:5002.
    Is it possible atall to resolve my problem, without having a seperate
    environment?
    Thanks
    Venkat Kodumudi
    Price Waterhouse LLP
    Internet: [email protected]
    Internet2: [email protected]
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Sean Brown [SMTP:[email protected]]
    Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 1998 10:42 AM
    To: 'John Jamison'; Venkat Kodumudi
    Cc: [email protected]
    Subject: RE: Is there a way to have 2 network cards on the same
    machine
    Venkat,
    Actually, it is possible for Forte to listen on more than one IP andport
    combination. The first reply to your message was correct. If you setthe
    FORTE_NS_ADDRESS to contain multiple entries before starting the name
    service, it will advertise on both. For Forte servers you use the
    FORTE_LOCATIONS env variable to get it to advertise on multiple ip:port
    combinations.
    We were doing something very similar with another customer I was at toget
    around a firewall. I will warn you that there are some issues with
    FORTE_LOCATIONS that may keep that portion from working. However, from
    reading your note, it appears that all you need is for the name serviceto
    advertise and listen on multiple ports and that works fine. I justtested
    it again for sanity sake and it worked. I ran my test on NT using Forte
    3G2.
    Sean
    -----Original Message-----
    From: [email protected]
    [<a href="mailto:[email protected]">mailto:[email protected]]On</a> Behalf Of John Jamison
    Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 1998 4:51 PM
    To: Venkat Kodumudi
    Cc: [email protected]
    Subject: Re: Is there a way to have 2 network cards on the same machine
    Venkat,
    Technically yes this is possible, though not in Forte. A name server
    can
    only listen on one port.
    To implement this scheme you will have to write a proxy service (in some
    language
    including perhaps forte) which listens on the well-known port on the
    second card, reads requests, then forwards them to the real nameservice
    (wkp on the first card), and forwards replies back. This is not
    trivial, but some firewall toolkit vendors supply stub code to write
    application specific proxies.
    -J
    Venkat Kodumudi wrote:
    Folks,
    Here is what we would like to do:
    We want to have 2 network cards on a unix box - which means I have 2ip
    addresses, and the connection between the two is the unix box and onlythe
    unix box. I have a pc connected to the 2nd network card and I want it
    to
    connect to the nameserver that is listening on a well known port onthe
    first network card. We don't want to turn IP forwarding between thetwo
    cards. We want Forte to address both cards to talk to clients, in one
    environment.
    Can this be done? If so how?
    Thanks in advance.
    Venkat Kodumudi
    Price Waterhouse LLP
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