Is there Async-Sync bridge in BPM

Hi ,
    I am trying this scenario in ccBPM(PI7.10
JMS(Async)>MDM(Sync)>SAP(Sync)
The reason I cant use it without BPM  is that message in JMS is needed in SAP step.I am not sure of messages can be persisted without a ccBPM.
When I give receive step as Async,in next send (Sync call) ,I cant see any Syn Abstract interfaces even though i have declared one.Only Asyn abstract interfaces appear to chose container element as abstract type.
In what way can I specify Aysn-Sync bridge in ccBPM ?
Regards,
Premjit

the async / sync scenarios can be configured via two options;
ref these
/people/arpit.seth/blog/2005/06/27/rfc-scenario-using-bpm--starter-kit
Without BPM
File - RFC - File without a BPM - Possible from SP 19.

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