Itunes not recognizing iphone 3gs or ipod touch 4th gen

My two sons ipod touch 4th generations were not being recognized by itunes, (they were previously, and I have not changed anything). I went through apple supports steps up to uninstalling and reinstalling itunes.
They are still not being recognized and now my iphone isn't either.
The computer sees them all and asks if I want to download photos from them etc.
itunes is seeing my ipod shuffle and my 2nd gen ipod ok.
My iphone and the ipod touches are running on version 4.3.5.
Help

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