JDeveloper ADF on other webserver

Hello,
In terms of Technical setup, I have the following questions
Can JDeveloper + ADF work on other webserver than Weblogic? If yes, which?
What does ADF add to JDeveloper?

For ADF Essentials you use the same JDeveloper version.
Note that if you'll search on the Web and this forum you'll also find people who managed to run ADF on Tomcat, and parts of ADF on JBoss and other servers.
So the list that Timo provided is the "official" supported and tested servers.

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JDeveloper, ADF, lack of support and bleak future

Hi,
I'm a seasoned Java and .NET developer, used to many environments and frameworks. A happy user of Oracle databases.
For a very Oracle oriented client I started with a team of developer a project using JDeveloper (no choice). After 4 months of using JDeveloper, ADF to build web sites, here are some thoughts I would like to share. This remarks only focus on that products, because I have a lot of respect for the Oracle databases and had a lot of success with them.
I am starting to get depressed about the very few blogs (most from Oracle) talking about JDeveloper and ADF, the lack of books, and the Oracle forums.
Moreover, most of the time you never get an answer to your problems, sometimes untested not working 'solutions', and a very very few times a working solution. Help is sparse, the community is missing.
If Oracle wants to promote its framework, it has to boost the number of tutorials, examples and support.
Googling about ADF is most of the time a non sense since you always land on the same 3 blogs and the Oracle forums.
Proof of non use by the community ?
If you try on www.indeed.com to find statistics about JDeveloper or ADF jobs you get another frightening proof.
Sometimes you find a piece of code or a tutorial that may help, but you realize it works only on some specific release of JDeveloper.
What makes me angry is when you ask why your code works on the x.x.x.x version but not the newest version, and the only answer you get is stay with x.x.x.x version (I won't bother to fix your 10 lines or code or even give you a direction to do it (maybe coz I don't understand myself were the breaking changes are)).
JDeveloper is damn too slow ? You should have a dual-core and at least 2 Go of memory, you poor thing ! Is Java for rich people ?
Debuging is a nightmare. Compared to Eclipse or others it is not practical at all.
I'm happy when I can create a few pages drag and dropping controls. Business components are also a good thing. It speeds up my development. But since development is not just UI and generating business components, I lose a lot of time every time I want to write code, every time I do something "exotic" it becomes a pain in the ass.
My problem here is that the architecture and JDeveloper constraint the developer a lot. I don't even talk about the fact that everything is only Oracle database oriented (openess ?). Even changing your page layout is a pain. Positioning controls is non trivial. As a whole, I would say that this whole thing imposes you to adapt to it, it doesn't adapt to you and your way of working.
Most results I saw look like the Oracle websites.
I could go on about the various bugs and problems that plague JDeveloper. Like the refactoring (when usable) that leave old and annoying stuff in your model XML, like the bugs in the diagrams, like problems related to auto-binding on the page and manually changing controls ID, various synchronization problems between pages and backing beans, adding upload is a mess, OrdDomain types are buggy, regions doesn't work well in the designer, and so on...
My point is that I feel the whole thing is not mature. And Oracle seems to fix some issues with the release of JHeadStart. Sometimes you fix things by integrating JHeadStart stuff. JHeadStart is probably a great thing and a time saver if you don't do too much "exotic" screens and code, but does it means that JDeveloper+ADF and classic development becomes a second class citizen ?
This is sad, since the ADF framework and JDeveloper look good and are worth of a more widespread usage. But marketing and support are way way far behind other commercial and open-source solutions. When I see what is planned for JDeveloper 11 and I compare it to others (Java or not). When I look at the developers needs and expectations, I feel we are losing the race.
Maybe Oracle would like to hand over some of the framework to the community, but my feeling is that the community is already commited on other exciting and less constraining frameworks and tool, and this community may well work in a way that doesn't fit Oracle vision. Future will tell.
Cheers.

Hi,
thanks for the detailed comment. I appreciate the time you spent writing this up as this helps to improve the product. Below is a first - quick and brief response to some of your statements.
... for documentation and tutorials
http://www.oracle.com/technology/products/adf/learnadf.html
Especially the ADF Developer Guide for 4 GL developers earns a lot of praise among J2EE developers.
http://download.oracle.com/docs/html/B25947_01/toc.htm
... for books
http://www.oracle.com/technology/tech/java/jsf.html
Sometimes you find a piece of code or a tutorial that may help, but you realize it works only on some specific release of JDeveloper. What makes me angry is when you ask why your code works on the x.x.x.x version but not the newest version, and the only answer you get is stay with x.x.x.x version
Of course samples need to be created to some point in time with a specific version. We have SRDemo as our main - maintained - reference demo I suggest you download this sample from OTN using help--> check for updates. Note that SRDemo contains code solutions for most developer cases and also is available in 10.1.3.1
I'm happy when I can create a few pages drag and dropping controls. Business components are also a good thing. It speeds up my development. But since development is not just UI and generating business components, I lose a lot of time every time I want to write code, every time I do something "exotic" it becomes a pain in the ***.
What is exotic, and what are the questions you didn't get an answer for ? I see that this is your first posting on OTN, so I am wondering under which account you posted the other questions that did not get an answer.
Googling about ADF is most of the time a non sense since you always land on the same 3 blogs and the Oracle forums. Proof of non use by the community ?
Isn't OTN a community ? I don't think that we need another discussion forum and looking at OTN it appears very active.
I don't even talk about the fact that everything is only Oracle database oriented (openess ?).
Not true. Please prove your claim.
Even changing your page layout is a pain. Positioning controls is non trivial. As a whole, I would say that this whole thing imposes you to adapt to it, it doesn't adapt to you and your way of working. Most results I saw look like the Oracle websites.
Now you are barking up the wrong tree, blaming ADF for what is JavaServer Faces layouting. You don't have to use JSF but can go for JSP /Struts and/or Swing development. What is the view layer technology of your choice that allows you to do better layouting ?
I could go on about the various bugs and problems that plague JDeveloper
Yes, please post them all
... regions doesn't work well in the designer, and so on...
Of course, because regions are not officially supported. JDeveloper 11 - I know you don't want to hear future - will have full templating (going far beyound of what facelets do) and region support
My point is that I feel the whole thing is not mature. And Oracle seems to fix some issues with the release of JHeadStart.
JHeadstart is a consulting offering and not meant to fix the product.
... but does it means that JDeveloper+ADF and classic development becomes a second class citizen ?
No comment for this statement as it is based on a wrong observation
This is sad, since the ADF framework and JDeveloper look good and are worth of a more widespread usage. But marketing and support are way way far behind other commercial and open-source solutions. When I see what is planned for JDeveloper 11 and I compare it to others (Java or not).
Note that only a fraction of new features in JDeveloper 11 leaked out so far or have been mentioned in the recent statement of direction. JDeveloper has many more features that we don't yet promote because the software isn't available.
Please note that we give ADF to the community. Its just we are not giving it to the open soutce community but the J2EE community (JSR-227)
Frank

'WHEN-NEW-FORM-INSTANCE-trigger' in JDeveloper/ADF/JHeadstart

Hello,
I'm new to JDeveloper/ADF with JHeadstart.
I want to execute a PL/SQL-procedure when the application starts. I've added the method to execute the PL/SQL-procedure to the Application module class.
How can we execute this method?
Thanks in advance.
Richard Teunissen

Richard,
When using security, it is easier to add a servlet filter to your application that only calls the PL/SQL procedure when user just logged in , which is start of new session.
Without security, it is easier to do it each time you enter a new page.
You can drag and drop the app module method on your page, then create an invokeAction in the executables section of your page definition that executes the method binding, and set the refreshCondition of the invokeAction to #{!adfFacesContext.postback}.
See ADF Developers guide, sections 8.4, 17.3 and 10.5.5 for more info:
http://download-west.oracle.com/docs/html/B25947_01/toc.htm
Now, if you are new to ADF this might sounds a bit cryptic, I strongly recommend you take some class on ADF, for example the ADF/JHeadstart workshop:
http://blogs.oracle.com/jheadstart/workshop
JHeadstart is a great help when moving from Forms to ADF, but you still need to learn how ADF works, to be able to fully leverage the power of JHeadstart. It is like generating Forms using Designer, thevbetter you know Forms, the more advanced functionality you can generate using Designer. The JHeadstart generator is very flexbile, using custom templates you can generate almost anything you want, but it requires knowledge of ADF Faces, JSF, ADF bindings and ADF Business Components to create those templates.
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How to implement hierarchical structure of managers and reportees using jdeveloper adf

I want to display hierarchical structure(which can be expanded and compressed) with 3 columns(Employeeid, fist Name,lastname) of managers and his reportees on selecting a top level manager.
In this i'm going to use programmatic view objects.
I have employees table.
Here is my detailed requirement:
On selecting a user from drop down list, i want to display the list of users reporting to him.
From the displayed list on selecting a manager, list of users reporting to him has to be displayed in a tree format with the correspoding just being listed below the current selected manager
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Manager1
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NonManager1
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Obviously, you can only display one picture. So then the question becomes which picture to show. Therefore, you will have to create some sort of preference of one pattern over another.
I would use a FOR loop so that you can loop through your available patters and their possible results. Use the Conditional Terminal on the FOR loop so that you can stop the loop on the first match. Then you just wire up the selected value for the ring outside of the loop.
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JDeveloper - ADF Mobile - Web Services Data Control

Hello,
I'm new to ADF mobile (newer than ADF mobile itself :) I watched Shay's excellent you tube videos which makes it look really easy to create a mobile projects. I was successfully able to create a simple project and deploy it on my iphone and ipad. The next step is to get data from a web service. I am trying to create web service data control from this wsdl: http://msrmaps.com/TerraService2.asmx?wsdl.
However I keep getting an unusual error with a dialog of heading: "Invalid WSDL URL" and the dialog says: "oracle/adfinternal/model/adapter/webservice/utils/WSUtils$DefaultAuthPrompter" with an OK button. I tried quite a few things and other applications like Flex Builder and Soap UI and was able to successfully use this wsdl: http://msrmaps.com/TerraService2.asmx?wsdl.
A few things about my environment:
I am working on mac OS X 10.8.2
I have JDeveloper Studio Edition Version 11.1.2.3.0 (Build JDEVADF_11.1.2.3.0_GENERIC_120914.0223.6276.1)
Java version installed: 1.6.0_37
I'm at a loss here and not sure what am I missing? I tried googling "DefaultAuthPrompter" and nothing shows up.
Any help is much appreciated.
thanks,
Rahul

Hi Arun,
I'm not behind a firewall and access the wsdl directly. I can also use other applications to generate proxy classes from this wsdl url.
I am starting to wonder if there is missing library on my mac installation of Jdeveloper?
Rahul

Oracle JDeveloper ADF Problem

hi to all,
I encountered a problem while designing a web page using JDeveloper (ADF)...
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Hi Frank,
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It always works on the first use case of the application. However, only if i try to add another new use case(entities, view object and jspx pages) will the inputtext not be rendered on IE...
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XML validator in Jdeveloper/ADF

Hi,
I have xml in String variable and want to validate again xsd. Any input on how we can do this in Jdeveloper/ADF
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This bug has been fixed for the Production Release. There is no manual fix I can give you for the Preview Release. When you say this is a compile-time error, do you mean that this is preventing you from compiling your project in some way? The error should just appear in the editor when you have the Ant buildfile open, and you should be able to safely ignore it.
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i want to do a migration from an JDeveloper ADF with OAS web app, to Glassfish server, this its posible?

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To use ADF with other Development tool

Can I plug the the ADF framework into other development tools such as the IBM's[b] websphere studio and Borland's JBuilder?
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ADF is a bunch of Jar files and the application is a bunch of Java and XML files - so yes you can take this and use any IDE to edit the files.
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Please, does JDeveloper ADF justify the investment?

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Hi!!
Im a new JDeveloper - ADF user!
Im using JSF for a short time, but i tried many, many implementations, and i have to say that ADF is the best choice i found, if we mix it with Jdev it gets much more powerfull!
About you question, i wonder if you can use it with tomcat. I know the power of OAS, but in your case, few number of clients, couldnt you use tomcat instead of OAS? JSF generates JSP in the background, doesnt it?
Please forgive me if im saying something stupid!
Best Regards!!!
Tiago

Are there Any Charting solutions that works with JDeveloper/ADF?

Are there any Charting solutions ( e.g. barchart, piecharts, etc) that works with JDeveloper / ADF ?

This question came up here once before. I think the conclusion is: No, not with vanilla ADF. However, if you're interested, the thread did mention some other library you might want to try.
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Deploying jdeveloper applicataion on Apache webserver

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Thanks for ur answere.I have already read ut that tutorial mentioned in ur weblink but that doent give supprt for Apache.
The applications developed in jdeveloper needs to be deployed on webserver.So if any of u used Apache as webserver for deplying ADF application built using jsp/jsf so please help me.I am in real trouble.

Deploying a jdeveloper adf application to a desktop

I need to create an interface to an oracle database system that I set up, and I need to do it posthaste. I got drawn into the offerings of jdeveloper by all the promotion and videos and tutorials that are available on the web page. It does indeed seem like a rapid way to create an interface. I originally liked the idea of creating an adf fusion webapplication, but I couldn't figure out how to get my sample application to run on Tomcat.
So now, I'm interested in developing an interface that can be run on a desktop, in the meantime until I have more time to work on a web interface. My question is does a desktop application need an application server as well if it's using adf? In other words, I'd like to create an application in jdeveloper that I can deploy as a simple executable jar file and send to a user for them to use on their desktop, is this possible? Is web logic required to run on that other users desktop?
I've tried doing this using a "Java Desktop Application (adf)" which creates two projects one for the model and one for the view controller. I created a simple prototype form that connects to my database and everything looks great when I hit the green play button. However when I try and deploy it as an executable jar with the entry point being the one and only form I can't run it. A jar file is created and it says its an executable jar file but when I double click it, the OS simply beeps (I'm using Windows XP).
Thanks.

hari wrote:
My question is does a desktop application need an application server as well if it's using adf? In other words, I'd like to create an application in jdeveloper that I can deploy as a simple executable jar file and send to a user for them to use on their desktop, is this possible? Is web logic required to run on that other users desktop?The answer to your question is No. You don't need an application server to run a Java client ADF application. You should be able to execute the application packaged on the jar file as is. I haven't developed myself anything like it, but as long as your necessary ADF libraries are accessible you shouldn't have any problems running it.
hari wrote:
I've tried doing this using a "Java Desktop Application (adf)" which creates two projects one for the model and one for the view controller. I created a simple prototype form that connects to my database and everything looks great when I hit the green play button. However when I try and deploy it as an executable jar with the entry point being the one and only form I can't run it. A jar file is created and it says its an executable jar file but when I double click it, the OS simply beeps (I'm using Windows XP).
You won't be able to run the jar file that way - unless you package a manifest file with it and set its Main-Class attribute to point to your class containing the main() method. Try instead executing java -jar yourJarFile.jar from the command line.

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