Jdeveloper vs Developer Forms?

My boss recently asked me what's the difference between modules written in Developer Forms for the web & modules written in JDeveloper from a development point of view. I'm a Forms developer and have only tinkered with JDeveloper can anyone tell me the advantages/disadvantages between the two development tools?

I think there are a few factors to consider:
1. What sort of interface do your applications need? Forms allows you to easily create rich responsive interfaces but (currently) requires download of JInitiator. JDeveloper can be used to create apps with this sort of interface but I doubt that anyone would do that. If you want or need a lighter HTML-based interface, JDeveloper is very much geared towards this and Forms won't give you this at all. Aside from using JDeveloper to write applications/systems it can of course be used for a lot more than this.
2. What skills do your developers have? If you have experienced, highly-skilled J2EE developers JDeveloper might be the one to go for. If, however, your developers are happier with Forms that would probably be the tool of choice. Your Forms developers might be keen, however, to get into java.
3. Tool Stability. Forms is a mature, fairly stable product with (still) a wide user base, and it probably isn't likely to change very much as a product in the future. JDeveloper (and java frameworks, etc.) changes significantly with every release and is relatively flaky compared to Forms. If you're looking beyond the next 5 years, JDeveloper may well be around longer than Forms, but it may well be very different by then to the current version. The 'next version' of JDeveloper always looks very promising but you'll be under pressure to move to the latest version of database and app server to be able to use the latest JDev. With Forms you're usually safe to lag behind a bit, which can have advantages.
4. Speed of Development. Developers can get up to speed in Forms a lot quicker than in J2EE and JDeveloper and once up to speed I think Forms is still a quicker tool for development.
Hope this helps.
Mike.

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Lousbergstrasse 51
52072 Aachen
Germany
tel +49 (0)241 997 39 40
fax +49 (0)241 997 39 41
www.informatik-atelier.de

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