JDO 2 and EJB 3

I saw the letter posted on JavaLobby
(http://www.javalobby.org/thread.jspa?forumID=61&threadID=14630&start=0&mode=flat)
about the JDO and EJB working groups working together and think that's
great. I think a unified persistence API will be a huge win for the Java
community.
Here is my question/comment to the Solarmetric people on the JDO board:
What is the impact this has on JDO 2.0 and it's timeline? With Kodo 3.2.0
being on RC2 and having JDO 2.0 "preview" features, I had been hoping that
JDO 2.0 was going to be released soon. If JDO 2.0 is going to have to be
re-worked to work with (or be?) the EJB 3.0 persistence system, I would
assume that it will be a lengthy process and will have to push back the
release of JDO 2.0. After all, there are large differences between the way
the two specs handle persistence, and even with the new-found sence of
friendship, there is likely to be grounds for arguement.
The problem with pushing back the JDO 2.0 release, is that it increases the
amount of time that users of JDO have to choose between the 1.0 spec or
using "preview" releases of 2.0 which SEEM to follow a spec, but really
leads to vendor lock-in. If we use the JDO 2.0 features in Kodo 3.2.0, we
have to stay with Kodo since no other vendor supports their particular
version of the preview spec, and who knows if the post-EJB actual JDO 2.0
spec will differ significantly enough that Kodo will be forced to keep the
old "preview" 2.0 features simply as vendor-specific APIs. If we aren't
coding to a standard, why not just use Hibernate?
I would suggest considering how the unified persistence framework will
impact JDO, then make educated guesses as to how the JDO and EJB will come
together in order to make nessisary changes to the JDO 2.0 spec that will
help--but not significantly impact the JDO 2.0 timeline. Then, create a new
JSR for JDO 3.0 which will be able to work within the timeframe of the
EJB/J2EE spec timeframe. An added bonus would be the fact that EJB and JDO
would have the same version numbers which may help some people's confusion
(any little bit helps)
Thanks,
Nathan

Hi everybody,
I'm glad to hear some more pessimistic comments on TSS about the new plans
of SUN and the future of JDO/EJB.
My opinion about the "evolution" of persistence I have already mentioned
here:
http://theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=28995#139908
http://theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=28995#139903
I must admit that when KODO 3.2.0 RC2 was released I was a little bit
confused and suspicious about the new "Single String JDOQL".
The new syntax reminded me on the syntax of HQL and EJBQL.
I think that was a sign ...
If you compare the drafts of EJB 3.0 and JDO2 there were many common
concepts. But I think JDO2 has really more features which help you to
optimize the database access in the domain layer.
So the only think I wanted to know in which direction will the new JSR 220
go and will it support all the features of JDO2.
I think it can't since the new persistence will be part of J2SE and also
the new JSR is lead by the EJB lobby.
And especially I'm interested in how KODO will look like. KODO is very
good product with a plenty of features.
But how will KODO look like in 2 years. Which API's will be supported ?.
And how will an enterprise O/R mapping tool like KODO with support of
distributed cache,... fit in the new persistence API that will be part of
J2SE. Or will two version exists, one for J2SE and one for J2EE.
So think of a big project in which you have to realize a big domain layer.
Which persistence technology/API should you use in the next two years ?
I'm looking forward to the Q & A and hope that they will make everything
clearer ?
Thanks,
Matthias
Alex Roytman wrote:
Hi Patrick,
Any comments?
http://theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=28995#139905
http://theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=28995#139908
http://theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=28995#139912
Thanks
Alex
"Patrick Linskey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Alex Roytman wrote:
If I understood Sun announcment, there will be no JDO2 - just maintenance
for JDO1 and some JDQL enhancements. So whatever JDO2 features are
implemented by vendors might be a dead-end since evolution of JDO2 is
not in plansSun's press announcements to date (or at least, as of five hours ago) were
relatively vague. According to my knowledge, JDO2 will continue pretty
much as planned, except that the JDO2 team will work on ensuring that a
few pieces of the JDO2 puzzle can be easily reused by the new team working
under the auspices of JSR220 as well.
Hopefully, Sun's FAQ will make these issues clear. Sun had intended to
release the FAQ today along with the announcement, but things got delayed,
basically for logistical reasons from what I understand.
-Patrick

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