@ Jeff Schewe - Printing from Lightroom (Resolution)

hello, mr. schewe
i have just read your article : http://www.digitalphotopro.com/technique/workflow/the-right-resolution.html
now it happens that a friend just showed me the luminous landscape "camera to print" video (because i got a nice new epson printer).
both the article and the video together left me a bit confused.
i have to admit i always thought, as long as my images have over 240 PPI native resolution (for a given printsize) and i set the printer to maximum quality (5760x1440 DPI on the printer), that i can´t get better results with resampling the image in software.
in the luminous landscape video you say native resolution is more important then resampled resolution.
michael reichmann mentioned an epson engineer and he said that you should not upsample in software when the image has at least 180 PPI.
that you should let the epson printer take care of it.
now in your article above, you say something different.
you wrote upsampling in LR to 360 or even 720 PPI can yield better image quality.
so you see why im confused.
i just want the optimum print quality from my prints (speed does not realy matter for me. 5 or 15 minutes... i don´t care. just crank all settings up for max quality that´s my mantra).
so to put it together.. you say when printing from LR you should allow LR to resample the image to a native printer resolution for best print quality?
the info in the LL video is outdated then?
and what about photoshop?
if i do proper manual sharpening in photoshop i should also resample the image to exactly 360 or 720 PPI or print at .. lets say for example 270 PPI?

Laura Shoe wrote:
In the article I could not find a comparison of printing from LR at 360 compared to 720. (You had already shown that the printer did a lousy job of upsamping, compared to Lightroom, so it doesn't surprise me that it does a lousy job of downsampling too, which it is doing in this case where the native res is greater than 360.)
I didn't bother to show a head to head 360-720 comparison because, well, it's obvious that with a native rez of above 360 you would not want to downsample a higher rez image to print at 360...I showed the under 360 and the over 360 examples because that's what I wanted to prove. If the native rez is below 360, upsampling to 360 is helpful, if the native rez is above 360 but below 720, upsample to 720. I did actually test trying to go beyond 720 but there's only a very special case where the Epson pro printers can output above 720. If you have the driver set to one of the proofing papers and also seect Finest Detail the actual reported resolution is actually 1440 (2x the normal Finest Detail). But that is really only useful for printing halftone proofs on proofing paper where you are trying to image actual halftone dots. I tried it on photos and could see no benefit printing beyond 720.
Laura Shoe wrote:
Alternatively, as I am writing this, I can imagine a perfectly appropriate response - "try it yourself!" I may indeed do that, but am interested in your perspective. ;-)
If you want to see the results of printing native rez above 360 at 360, you go right ahead and see for yourself. I have and see no reason to downsample higher rez images to print at 360.

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