Jerky start on audio, moving to Multi-track

Aloha, I've been working it the new Audition for about 3 weeks now and really enjoying it more with every session. Alot has to do with my learning curve...how did I do this before and how can I do it now. I do have a few observations:
Sometimes the audio cuts off at the very beginning when playing a file do a point where I think "did I hear that right...." I play it again and it's okay. (I'm using a Lynx L22 sound card). I notice this mostly in the File View and not the multi track.
It still seems a little awkward either opening a new or finding a multi track session as compared to AA3. Haven't quite put my finger on it, but it does.
And of course, the ability to burn a project to CD is so important, but the extra step at the moment is okay.
I know this is not a technically observation, but just my impressions from producing radio spots daily.
Have a great weekend.
Ed Kanoi
Hawaii

Hey Ed
We are all still learning this new Audition to some extent and while there is not a lot of detail in your post I would probably offer the suggestion to make sure you are using the asio driver for your sound card and make sure that the sample rate is set to the same as the AA5.5 session (assuming you haven't already) as this is not enforced during playback.
It might not be the answer but it can't hurt.
AA5.5's performance is pretty spectacular compared to AA3 so a 'jerky' start would make me think that there is something else going on . So questions like is it a laptop that you are on, is there anti virus on, what sort of hardware etc you are running could all be helpful to someone offering some other suggestions

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