JES 2005Q4 Windows release date?

I see the JES 2005Q4 documentation is up for the Windows Server platform. Although in BETA.
Currently evaluating JES 2005Q1 for migrating system from Messaging Server 5.2p2 (also on Windows platform).
When is JES2005Q4 for Windows coming out?
Eli

Jay,
as always... your input is paramount and very
welcome.
If JES2005Q1 was an experiment... why release it
commercially? And why is Sun charging full license
seat prices for defective software? It's like buying
a car and finding out that all buttons and controls
are glued on using kiddie glue... After an hour or
so.. it comes apart....Something you need to take up with your sales rep.
Gonna take this up with the Sun accountmanager.Almost 11 months have passed since the release of
JES2005Q1.
Plenty of time to recheck and update both the
documentation and the code.Once documentation is released, it is NEVER changed. To have online doc different from printed doc in your hands is deemed to be too confusing. We do file doc bugs every day, and what gets changed is the next release.
No activities there whatsoever.
Are we in hibernation?
Whilst other releases on Linux/Solaris platform have
gotten many patches. Which is in itself both a good
thing and a bad thing. Too many patches, imply buggy
software needing patching up. It's like bringing
the car back to the dealer everytime to have the
buttons, nuts and bolts fastened again.
Mind you, these are patches meant to resolve bugs.
Not product improvements or enhancements.Again, please do take this up with your sales rep.
>
If JES2005Q1 was an experiment for the Windows
environment... what assurances do I have as a
customer in the Windows environment that Sun will
continue to develop code and technology for that
platform?Sales rep.
See my dilemma? (Note: I cannot introduce a new
Operating System platform in my infrastructure. This
would make the mailserver in itself more expensive
than any server on the Windows platform. Pure by
systems administrative and operative costs alone
talking man hours and salary here.)Well, I may differ with your analysis. I have Windows, Solaris, and Linux boxes, myself. I do extremely little admin work on the Solaris box, that relates to the OS, and not much more on the messaging Server. Since Solaris is free, I'm not at all convinced that installing Solaris on the same box that you might put windows on would be "more expensive" than windows.
>
It's a bad thing to have documentation being written
by persons without knowledge of the product. It's
another bad thing to have grammar and spelling errors
in the scripts like "popaleting DIT......."
Hasty work is never done....Please show that to the sales rep.
>
Even Messaging Server 5.2p2 stopped getting patches.
We have been running this buggy software on Windows a
little more over 2.5 years now since the last patch.
There are still bugs, no patches....Actually, there ARE hotfixes available for Windows post 5.2p2. You just have to contact tech support for them.
See my grievance... It's like there is no customer
care for Windows products. Then why bother at all?
I understand that JES2005Q1 is a complex product. But
that does not explain the spelling and grammar errors
in scripts and interfaces. That does not explain why
the software does not work out of the box (following
the documentation).
It's like it was ported, coded and burnt or made
ready for distribution.. without testing the end
product in a lab environment. Ship of to the
dealers... "ow what's that you say... you lost the
rear mirror on the way over there? Don't worry... the
customer won't notice it"
Releasing software is by no means an experiment.
Especially if you are going to charge customers the
full price of a seat plus maintenance. This is
disrespectful of customers. Customers run this
software in a production environment and provide
services. To provide quality services I myself and my
system administrators need to trust the product and
documentation. That trust has no foundation, it is
all gone...
I don't know if any US (from headoffice) Sun
accountmanagers visit this forum, but you are welcome
to pass this thread on to them.I'm very sure no management visits this forum. I have become that voice that shouts "wolf" too often. They just don't listen to me.
They do listen to sales folk.
>
Ending this ranting, cause I am saving the rest for
the local account manager...
Still no answer though:
What is the estimated release date of JES2005Q4?2005q4 for OS other than windows is released. When Windows is released is not something I know about. Ask your account rep to find out....

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