Jinitiator Vs JRE

Dear All,
While invoking Oracle forms and reports in Jinitiator for the first time, Jini software will be automatically dowloading the client PC. But, when the forms and reports are invoked from JRE, the IE is not downloading the JRE software in the client PC, we have to manually install in the client PC.
Note: the security settings in IE are same in both the case.
Regards,
Anand.

I believe this is normal - see Mike Shaw's comment on Steven's blog post http://blogs.oracle.com/stevenChan/2008/12/reminder_migrate_your_jundefinediator_clients_to_sun_jre_now.html
You may open an SR to confirm.
HTH
Srini

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