Jittery motion when editing to tape via Blackmagic SD

I have a situation that has me a bit perplexed, and I'm hoping one of you gurus can help. We will shoot DVCAM footage, capture into FCP (now at v5.03, but this occurred with earlier versions as well), and then export a quicktime movie (not using QuickTime conversion). I then bring the movie into After Effects, and do some compositing work, and render using Uncompressed 8 bit settings. I create a new sequence in FCP with matching settings (uncompressed 8 bit), and import the movie file I created in AE. Everything looks great on my computer monitor, but when I edit to tape, any moving objects (either effects or people in the video) jitter visibly when viewed on my broadcast monitor, and the resulting BetaSP tape. There are no unrendered sections of the sequence, and the the frame dominance is the same on the imported clip and the sequence.
I can apply the de-interlace filter in FCP, and that improves the image somewhat, but it's still visible.
Any suggestions?

... and the the frame dominance is the
same on the imported clip and the sequence.
it seems that the filed dominance is wrong:
upper or lower field dominace is determined by your blackmagic card and the codec used.
in your sequence settings use easy setup to load the correct settings for the codec you are using with your blackmagic card. after that, read what the field dominance is set to. use the same field dominance when rendering in AE.
good luck,
kurt

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