Just an FYI on replacing a bad hard drive for those that have hard drive based mp3 play

I had to have a new hd replaced outside my warranty a few years back and it cost me around $80-20, I cant remember exactly.
but when my Zen fell off a desk and the Hard dri've went south on me this time.. I decided to save some money and do it myself.
just make sure you get the right model # off your old hard dri've and be carefull handling it and make sure not to strip any screws and it was a cinch to buy a replacement hard dri've off ebay for $40 instead of spending more and having to send it off to creative.
the 2.5 fujitsu hard dri've are a notebook hard dri've just in case anyone wasnt sure.
just installed it and reformatted today, works like it always did.
mine was the MHT2020AT , im not sure if the MHT2030AT would have worked..it was 30 gigs versus the stock 20 gig part #, but 20 gigs has always been just about my limit anyway.
Peace.

If people want more info on doing this then head over to www.nomadness.net where they have been replacing and upgrading hard dri'ves in Creative players since the first Nomad Jukebox 6GB. Lots of useful info on how to do it and which dri'ves work in which players.
PB

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