K7n2delta-L and barton 3000

i cant set my fsb to 166.
i have 2 stiks of corsair XMS pc 3200 (2 x 512)
k7n2 delta mobo
ati 9800 pro vid card
dvd drive
cd drive
thing is, someone suggested that my problem could be the power supply, the power supply i have has lower amps than the minimum suggested here. so i guess i should upgrade my powersupply or is there any other compatibility issues between the cpu and mobo?
thank you for your time.

if less than that then yes

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Hi all!
I recently upgraded my PC (MSI KT4V) with an AMD Barton 3000+ CPU. Before I had a 2600+ Throughbred.
With my old 2600+ I could run my system stable with a FSB set at 166. It couldn't go much higher that 175 before the system became unstable.
With my new Barton I have a problem :
With my FSB set at 166 games like Far Cry and COD crashes. Explorer crashed at sites with Flash content (flash.ocx error report) otherwise no problems. My Pinnacle studio 7 program couldn't render playable movies.
After I underclocked my CPU, setting the FSB at 154 giving me a total speed of 2GHz, all problems are gone now
My system reports a CPU temp at 48 degrees celsius at a 166 FSB setting but could it be a cooling problem anyway?
I have used Artic Silver as thermal paste on the CPU die.
I have reset my memory timings to CAS 2,5 even though the Corsair RAM supports CAS 2 to get the most stable system.
Is the KT 400 chipset up for the job with the increased speed?
I would like to get the most performance out of my new Barton so I hope that some of you guys can help me out here.
My system spec is :
Win XP SP1 and SP2
CPU : AMD Barton XP 3000+
Motherboard : MSI KT4V (Bios 1C0)
Soundcard : SB Audigy 2
Graphics card : Radeon 9800pro 256
Memory : 1GB Corsair XMS (CAS 2)
Power suply : Antec 480W
All latest drivers installed
Best Regards
Basse

Hi Osnavi!
48 degrees is an idle temp and about 51 stressed.
The processor is an Athlon 3000+ 333MHz
The cooler is a Thermaltake Silent Boost
I have 2 modules 512 MB Corsair XMS PC 2700 333MHz placed in slot 1 and 3
I forgot to tell that I ran memtest386 with the fsb set at 166 and I had error reports on the 128Kb L1 cache right away. Lowering the fsb to 154, the memtest came out alright.
Should I remove the heatsink and reaply cooling paste - silver-free maybe?
Strange
Any ideas are welcome
Best regards
Basse

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Hi all..
Hope someone can help.
I have a KT3 Ultra 2R board with the following stats:
Athlon XP (Barton) 3000+ FSB 166 CPU
CoolerMaster HHC-001 heatpipe H/sink with 80mm fan
Antec 520W PSU
2 x 100 ATA Maxtor Viper 80Gb HDD's with 8Mb cache each in striped RAID array
Asus TI 4600 Ultra 128Mb V/card
Audigy S/card
Lite-on CD/RW
Lite-on CD/DVD
2 x 512Mb Corsair XMS 3000 DDR Ram (333 and above) with aluminium heat spreaders
Lian-Li PC70 Tower case with 6 x 80mm fans
Rounded cables throughout
Win XP + SP1
The Problem:
This system worked fine with an Athlon XP 2200 CPU and I read MSI's CPU support list and saw the KT3 Ultra 2 6380E supported the Barton XP 3000+ CPU's so I bought one. :P
At first I had trouble booting on the 5.7 version bios, with the lock ups throught the bootup process. I reset the bois to the defaults and slowly worked up the settings using the recommendations in the forums.
At the moment, the system will boot up with fast command set to normal, no agressive DDR timings, 1T command disabled, fastwrite disabled, agp read/write disabled and SDRAM set to SPD (HCLK).
My 3DMark01 & 3DMark03 scores are lower than when I had the XP 2200 CPU installed and the SiSoft sandra results are the equivalent of a Athlon 2000. MSI says the board supports the Barton 3000+, but at what cost ??? :O
The system is very unstable and and requires on average 3 boots to boot up successfully. The 3DMark03 test often locks up mid way.
Any help or the settings MSI or you used to achieve their results would be VERY helpful. Please Help... ;(

I have had a similar problem running my kt3 ultra2 (non raid) at 166 fsb. In mid april I bought a 2600+ 166 fsb athlon to upgrade my system from a 1.2 ghz athlon. I bought some new pc2700 crucial ram to go along with the processor. I had also recently bought a radeon 9700 pro in late march, and a 1.2 athlon would just be a waste of this great vid card. I had been running fine with the radeon and the 1.2 athlon with the msi 5.7 bios and 4.43 via 4-in-1's.
I battled this problem for weeks. I bought a new antec 550 watt PSU, corsair xms 3200 ram, and new antec tower case trying to find out if the problem was ram, power or heat. I should also note that turning on spread spectrum helped a little in stability. Setting it to .50% made it stable in windows and games, but the computer would not turn on if shutdown unless I cleared the cmos. No setting besides this had any effect on stability. Even conservative ram timings. I was about to buy an Asus a7n8x when I realized that I had once run my old cpu and ram at 166 fsb when I had the 5.6 bios a couple of months back. I did not keep it like that in fear of damaging the ram while overclocked.
So I reflashed to 5.6 which still supported the 2600+. That finally worked almost perfectly, although I still have to keep spread spectrum at .25% to be stable (which is odd, people say that is supposed to hurt stability). So in my situation, it was the bios that was faulty. I have had some very ramdom crashes to the desktop (3 of them) in games and one hardlock with a blank bluescreen in unreal2. This is over a span of a month. So it is not perfect. It might be the display drivers causing this, which I have recently upgraded, or I might need to back off my ram timings which are at 2-2-2-5 which this ram can handle easily at 166. 3dmark has yet to crash. Prime 95 passed when I ran it for 30 minutes. Im going to run prime 95 today and see if it will run for like 12 hours stable. Im still looking into getting a new nforce 2 mobo, however (abit or asus).
I hope this helps your situation, you should give it a try. Although, the 5.6 bios does not support the 3000+. It might still work, it will maybe just not show up as a 3000+ in the bios, but as a 2.17 Athlon XP.
I think MSI should be made aware of this possible 5.7 bios fsb instability. Why spread spectrum seems to be related in my situation, is really odd also.

Lack of Ghz KT3 Ultra2 Barton 3000+

Dont want to sound like a broken record but I aswell am having problems with my newly purchased Barton 3000+ (400 fsb) with my MSI KT3 Ultra2. The problem is that whenever I try to set the FSB to the correct level, the computer fails to boot and I have to jump the cmos. I updated my bios to ver 5.7, and the highest i can get is to a 2400+
Two possible reasons I think are I have a Thermaltake Volcano 8 (which i believe isnt up to par) and my powersupply is a bit below the specs in the troubleshooting faq: L&C brand PSU +3.3V/24A +5V/35A +12V/12A. However I'm reluctant to go buy replacement parts because I've read of the people who did and it didnt help (limited budget.)
I've tried flashing with 3 different versions of 5.7 drivers, and even gave the 5.6 a go (highest i could get was 2200+) The highest I could get the FSB is to 199, but as soon as i try for 200 it zonks out on me. I've got 768 megs of no name ram that has served me well, and so thats not the problem... (hope not) I've also read a buncho topics and tried various things from them.
If I missed anything lemme know....
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I don't know for sure, but aren't there two different types of Barton's being sold. One with a FSB 333 and one with 400 ?
So I think you will have to get the other type in order to get it working, since the mobo does only support FSB up to 333 MHz.
Maybe you can just replace the CPU where you bought it ?
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+3.3 V / 22 A
+5 V / 35 A
+12 V / 15 A
-5 V / 0.5 A
-12 V / 0.8 A
+5 V VSB / 3 A
So that should make up 400 W as far as I know, my total System drain should be around 300-350 W so even if it would not suffice 400 W it should run the system ?
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CPU: AMD XP 2100 FSB 133 MHz
RAM: 1.536 MB, 3x512 MB Infineon PC3200 (400MHz) CL 3-3-3-8 @400MHz, Cl2.5-3-3-7@333Mhz, 2-2-2-6@266MHz
VGA: MSI RX-9800 Pro 128 MB
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CD-R/RW: TEAC CD-W540E (Firmware 1.0K)
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USB-Storage: Maxtor 4 K080 H4 (80 GB)
Monitor: Samsung Syncmaster 172T with Driver Version 1.0
Printer: HP Deskjet 970Cxi with Original HP Driver Version 4.3
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CPU Fast Command: "Ultra"
System was running stable for nearly 2 years with this Configuration:
So now it goes:
First I changed the CPU form my old AMD XP 2100+ to the new Barton 3000 + with its new Arctic Cool Copper Silent 2TC.
Then I went into BIOS and raised the FSB to 166 MHz, which should be the correct one, or do I have to put 167 MHz in there (since 166.666666 MHz is rounded to 167)?
Then I exited and watched the restart...but it didn't start-up it only got me 3 long beeps at the HOST.
After some whining and beating I plugged out anything and cleared CMOS and started the whole thing again:
System after Clearing CMOS:
Mainboard: KT3 Ultra 2 (BIOS v5.7)
CPU: AMD XP 3000+ FSB 100 MHz
RAM: 1x512 MB Infineon PC3200 CL 2-3-3-7 (BIOS setting CAS Latency by "SPD")
Storage: Western Digital WD800BB (80 GB) (Firmware 17.07W17)
Monitor: Samsung Syncmaster 172T with Driver Version 1.0
OS: Windows 2000 Professional with Service Pack 4
With all Default settings, the Computer boots up, and is correctly Recognized as a Barton 1300 MHz.
When increasing FSB to 133 MHz it is correctly displayed as a Barton 2200+
NOW...
...after adding one BIOS setting after another I narrowed the problem down to the "CPU Fast Command (decode)" Function...if set to Ultra it does not boot-up when running 166 MHz FSB, it does not even let me into BIOS. I have to clear CMOS and restart from scratch again...
Is this normal and expectable with a Barton 3000+ running at the native 166 MHz FSB or not ?
Since my system before was running on "Ultra" with my old AMD XP 2100+.
There is only one more thing I noticed, the CPU V-Core is shown to be only 1.616 V (setting on "Auto" but it should be 1.65 V ? Should I increase the V-Core to 1.675 V in order to get closer to 1.65 V or shouldn't I worry about ?
Thanks for any Input you can give me on the problem.
Iscaran

Iscaran, you are indeed correct in the statement which you made
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...after adding one BIOS setting after another I narrowed the problem down to the "CPU Fast Command (decode)" Function...if set to Ultra it does not boot-up when running 166 MHz FSB, it does not even let me into BIOS. I have to clear CMOS and restart from scratch again...
This setting can be set to fast/ultra on the KT3 Ultra2 when using PC2100 ram running at 266. However, when using PC2700 ram running at 333, this setting MUST be set to normal for the satisfactory operation of the board. I know that you have PC3200 ram actually installed but it is only running at 333.
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Is this normal and expectable with a Barton 3000+ running at the native 166 MHz FSB or not ?
Yes, absolutely normal
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There is only one more thing I noticed, the CPU V-Core is shown to be only 1.616 V (setting on "Auto" but it should be 1.65 V ? Should I increase the V-Core to 1.675 V in order to get closer to 1.65 V or shouldn't I worry about ?
How are you measuring this ie Bios or o/s utility? Not unknown that these are incorrect. However, if you feel unhappy about this, try setting the V-core manually to 1.65v and check what this gives.
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So 3.3 V x 22 A gives 72.6 W, that could be really a little cutting the edge. Could that cause the board to not respond when setting the "CPU Fast Command" to "Ultra" ?
Getting a more powerful psu will not likely cure this well documented problem.
However, this board mostly draws power from the 3.3 & 5v rails. The 12v is mostly used to power HDD, optical and fans. When you consider that 128Mb of ram draws about 8-10w from the 5v rail and you have a total of 1.5Gb that adds up to 96-120W of juice just for the memory alone. This board will beep at you at o/s level when it's running underpowered but my opinion is the same as osnavi's your 3.3v & 5v rails are too low. Also what is combined 3.3v & 5v wattage. What kind of reading do you get on monitoring utilities.
By the way I have as you can see from my dets below the same board and cpu as you and when I changed from a XP2000 Palomino with PC2100 ram to XP3000 Barton and PC3200, I changed the 'Fast Command' setting from 'Fast' to 'Normal'
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The board will require the latest BIOS too.
I've already flashed it to 5.7.
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You should not mix ram as it can cause problems, even if it is the same model/make. The revision must be the same.
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Would that be a 9800se, 9800pro or 9800XT?
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Wots the deualt vcore fot the barton 3000+

i have stopped using an oc and set every thing back to default.
i have noticed that my vcore is now 1.850 im pretty sure on my old board it was 1.65 or somthing lower than 1.85 wots up with this.
i never actually checked the defualt core on this board any one else have this problem wot would have caused it if its not a bios fault.
it says 1.85 vcore in bios hardware monitor and in core center
when are they going to fix the bios for this crap delta2 board.

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Originally posted by NINJMNKY
The default voltage for the barton 3000+ 333FSB is 1.65
unless you're overclocking, you really don't need anything higher than that.
[as a sidenote; my XPM 2600+ can pull 3200+ 400FSB at 1.45v, but ze crappy delta2-lsr mobo don't let me set the volts that low ]
Go in PC health in bios and check, my bet is your not running 1.45v since the board does not go that low it will overvolt it to the lowest setting. My guess is its running around 1.55v.
I got my mobile 200X11.5 at 1.625v

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Ok so I upgraded from a 1800+ to a barton 3000+, and im having problems running the chip. Iv set the fsb to 166, the ram to HCLK, tried running with just one stick, it runs for about 5min then restarts. Any ideas?
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– thanks in advance

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tHEsONIC1,
You can get my numbers from my Sig. I am doing it on stock AMD Cooling so I have not really tried to push it. I will do more when I get new cooling. I was surprised at how easily this processor overclocks.
I would just push the FSB up till it starts to give problems and then back off a little and stop. If not unlock it and go for 200Mhz FSB and see where you can get to without adjusting the power.
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Sorry I cannot be more help at the moment.
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