K7t turbo2 and memory problems!!!

Hi guys. Need your help w/ this weird situation. I am plagued by hangups w/ my system. One of you told me that maybe my memory was bad so I bought a spanking new 256mb pc133 dimm SDRAM...and my comp still hangs. When I use both of my 256 it still hangs when windows is about to start. Strangely, I could use my comp. w/ my original 256 w/ just occasional hangups..but since last week it hangs everytime windows xp pro or win2000 pro starts. I see the stuff loading and my desktop icons and then wham!! it freezes. But here's the funny thing...when i use my old 64mb pc100 mem it works perfectly, except that it is extremely slower..BUT NO HANGUPS. Now I'v crossed off several suspects off my list 1) my 256 mem sticks aren't bad cause the brand new one does the same thing as the older one, so there's no static or anything 2) my power supply s/d be ok it's 350W and even when i unplug all my drives and leave just 1 hard drive it still hangs w/ the 256 or 512 (mixed). So i'm wondering if it's 1) some config in the bios i need to tweak...but like i said it used to work fairly well w/ the 1st 256 untill recently or 2) my cpu is an AMD athlon 1333, which gives me 1ghz and it can only run at a clock of 100. if i unjumper J17, it can't run at 133. So i'm wondering if it's because my mem sticks are running at 133 but the cpu is 100..it causes a prob and thus hangs; and my 64 mb mem stick is at 100mhz..so it's the same clock speed as my cpu. But if that was it..how comes I used to run the 256 pc 133 w/ this same cpu w/ just hangups occasionally ..but now I can't start windows any at all??? any ideas w/d be welcomed. Also, could u tell me a couple athlon xp that u know for sure run at 133 mhz clock speed, eg: can the xp 1700 run at that. I have an MSI K7T turbo2, 2 hard drives (10G & 30G) winxp and win200, both pro..and an amd athlkon 1333 (not xp) :O X(

What is the CAS latency rating of both your 256 stick ?
On the issue of running a pc133 ram in 100 it should work fine as u underclock the ram instead of over it.
I am using k7t turbo2 rev 5.0 with 133 enabled.

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I recently replaced my old MB and CPU (Asus a7v133/AMD 850 Mhz T-bird) with a K7T Turbo2/AMD XP 1800+ Thoroughbred. All of the other components are the same (see below), except the PSU. I replaced my old one hoping that it would solve my problem.
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P.S.
Mauricio16,
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