K7T Turbo2 won't power up

I just recently purchased a K7T Turbo2 mobo. I am replacing an Abit KT7A  which all of a sudden stopped being able to read data of off any of my hard drives.
 I installed the case connectors as shown in the owners
manuel, but can not now get it to power up. The owners manuel does not specify on the speaker ,reset  switch, or the power switch, which pin is positive. Can anyone confirm which way the connectors go? Any help would be greatly appreciated, Thanks.

hi, i have that board and i have mine with the printed side of the connector all facing up,towards the cpu,both rows but that might not be your problem,double check ram and video,make sure their  seated good,it takes a very hard push to get them fully inserted,good luck and let us know how you come out :P

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    ok, here goes  I have a MS-6330 K7T Turbo2 mobo, 256m RAM 20G Western Dig HDD NVidia GEForceMX420 64mg vid card AMD Duron 900Mhz proc.  I started and it won't post, fans spin but nothing else.  Cleared CMOS and it'll boot, but not RE-boot without clearing the CMOS again.  I've checked the mobo to make sure it not grounding out.  tried taking everything else off the mobo and it still won't post.  I've taken the battery out for 10 mins, and checked it..shows good on Multimeter. I tried flashing the Bios to v3.6..no change, wouldn't post so, now I'm back to the original v3.3 because if I want to USE my computer, I first have to clear the CMOS, load defaults and then it'll boot up fine.  if I've missed something PLEASE fill me in...this thing has got me COMPLETLEY stumped.  If it's the motherboard I'll just buy another one rather than go through the hassle of trying to prove it's still under warranty.  Help me out fellas!!  PLEASE!! ?(

    wow....... this is a mirror image of what happened to me almost....  to put it blunty... sounds like mobo is dying...  or the cpu is dying.... but ....
    did u just build this computer or did this just start up recently???  the mobo has some serious issue of POSTing when it's first installed and i have absolutely no idea why..
    also...   check your hsf on your cpu and c if it's it mounted properly.  another thing.. r u changing anything in the bios???
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    P.S.  yes.. don't bother to rma. it'll take u about a month and a half to 2 months rma'ing..  i currently hate msi for how they handle my rma...

  • K7T Turbo2 ver5.0 won\'t reboot

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     ?( i've just turned off my pc few hours ago. but now it won't even boot to BIOS.
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