K8N Neo-F Power Issues

I hope you guys can help. Here are Specs first off:
K8N Neo-F (UNfortuantely, I forgot to take note of the BIOS Rev. I will contact the system owner tonight and try to get it.)
AMD 3800+ X2
Kingston ValuRam 1GB DDR3200
Enermax Whisper II 535w PSU
This system was built for a co-worker. Got everything in place, go to power on the system. Switch the power switch on the PS to on and all the fans, (PS, CPU, Chipset, 2 case fans,) power on. The system isn't on mind you, but the fans have come on. Hit the power button on the front of the case and the PC turns on ok. Everything looks to be alright, but the fact the fans are turning on before I've powered on the system is bothering me. I have the same PS, so I switch them out, put his in my PC, mine in his, and the same thing, the fans turn on in his PC with only the PS switch turned to on, but not the case switch. His PS in my PC works normally, PS turned to on, the fans do not power up until the case switch is hit. So I've determined his PS is fine. I try removing the MSI board from his case and placing it on a non-conductive surface  to see if maybe its shorting out. Try it with his PS, same thing, fans turn on with only the PS switched to on. Nothing in the case is shorting it out, so I'm still confused here.
I even disconnected the header connecters from the case and the fans still power on with the PSU set to on.
In short, is this board supposed to do this? Is there a toggle in BIOS somewhere so I can keep those fans off unless the case power switch is hit?
Windows installed fine, no problems, got everything installed, drivers and whatnot, even got Oblivion installed and it ran great, so I am assuming the system is fairly stable.
The other problem is that if you shutdown windows, you cannot turn the PC back on unless you turn off the PS switch first. The case switch does nothing.
In all my years, I've never seen system fans turn on with only the PS turned to on and the main system not powered up.

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why are fans powering on with just the PSU switched turned to on.
It usually does this once , when there is no valid cmos setup data saved ( users have used the F1 to continue).
Try "Load Optimized Defaults" followed by F10 , save , exit and power off by flipping the PSU switch during the following restart/post .

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    Originally posted by stranger4u
    @falsedown: Thank you once again for your help. I've ordered the PSU and hopefully it'll fix the usb issue (even though now it seems as if only the usb keyboard would be failing randomly and the mouse is ok).
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    Quote from: Dr Stu on 20-November-05, 04:36:29
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