K8N Neo2 + AMD 64 3000 (939)?

Does anybody know if this combination will work - K8N Neo2 + AMD 64 3000 (939)? MSI website didn't mention anything about support for the new AMD 64 3000 (939) but AMD website does mention that the K8N Neo2 can be used.

"I dont know about you, but when I build a system I make sure everything I put in it compliments each other and brings the full potential out of each component. I would not want a brand new top of the line cpu, on an outdated board. A few years from now this system will still be good and fast, there will be no reason to disassemble it and mix and match."
I'm not saying yours won't be good and fast in 2 years.. I'm saying a socket 939 will give you the option of NOT upgrading EVERYTHING *at a later point than the 754*. the 3000 is suited perfectly to the Neo2, and so is an FX 53.. were talking about spending $20 extra to go with a more upgradable platform.
btw -the computer I'm typing on right now I built in 1999, it's a Socket A KT7A-RIAD which I initially put an athlon 900 (then unlocked and overclocked @140 mhz bus), then I upgraded to an Athlon XP 1800 when they were affordable. upped my ram to 768 megs, The most recent upgrade I made is an ASUS RADEON 9600 XT.
I can play the most graphic intensive games EG counterstrike sourse beta (half life 2), far cry, whatever I want at decent resolutions on a computer I build over 5 years ago... and did it without buying a whole new computer every 2 years.
the only reason I'm upgrading now is for decoding HDTV... other than that "mixing and matching" suits me just fine... it's part of the hobby.. not everyone can just go (or just wants to) buy a whole new computer every 2 years.. I like to tweak and overclock to keep my computer current as long as I can.. not to compare numbers with the rich kids..

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New K8N NEO2 PLAT. and SC-939 3200+ help needed...

Hello,
I have just upgraded my system with K8N Neo2 Plat. and sc-939 3200+ A64 Cpu.
There are several issues I need to resolve which are:
1- Although I change from BIOS the settings for AGP to 4x8x and enable fast writes, I still cant see them turned on from the Catalyst Control Center. Everything is greyed out what can I do? They all used to be on and agp was 8x with my K7N2 Delta board....
2- Although I installed the original drivers from the MSI CD, I couldn't get one of the network prts to install. Realtek installed OK. But other one is defined by the device manager as standart network adapter. What can I do?
3- I am brand new to A64 system so I do not know what setting to use from BIOS can you help me out, for instance there are values for HT such as x3 x4 x5 mine is set to x5? what is this? should I enable cool and quiet, I am not intended to do overclocking. Can you give me some tips for best performance?
My best regards.

Make sure your bios is up to date: version 1.5. Look at the sticky threads and use the information to enable hidden bios features. Disable ATI/NV speedup in the bios. Uninstall your drivers and reinstall. If the information is still greyed out, download the free version of Sandra here: http://downloads.guru3d.com/ and check the module under video system information. This will tell you if fast writes are enabled and your AGP setting. Leave the HT(hyper-transport) set to 5X unless you plan on oc'ing, if you do oc then may find you'll need to reduce it to 4X or 3X. Try downloading the latest driver for your network from the MSI website. Right click the device in device manager and select update, select specific location then "don't look...I'll choose", direct it to the file where you've unpacked the correct driver and then update.

2gb ram that works w/k8n Neo2 + amd 64

Im looking at purchasing some good memory that doesnt give me the hassle that my current one does.
I have a k8n Neo2, and want to drop in 2gb of memmory. Anyone out there with the same motherboard and amd 64 processer running 2gb or more of pc400 ram? Thanks.

The Neo2 Platinum has issues with certain types of memory when all four slots are filled (typical with 2GB or greater). Read my thread for details:
https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?threadid=63675

K8N NEO2 & 3000+ won't start up?

Hi everyone! I'm quite new on this forum - but have read trough alot of posts lately...
I finaly got my hands on my own 939 System... Exactly NEO2 + AMD 64 3000.
My specs are :
Artic Cooling Silentium T1 - Midi Tower
AMD XP 64 - 3000+
MSI K8N NEO2 - 939
CORSAIR VALUE S 512 DDR-DIMM 3200
NEC 3500-A DVD Recorder
Samsung Spinpoint 160 GB S-ATA
ATI Radeon 7000 32mb ;P (new card soon)
Problems Are :
I have installed all the hardware parts (probaly correctly since I have some knowledge of this )
But the screen is black ?
And the DVD-R isn't running neither.
It seems that the system just halts when I boot it up...
(the Harddisks are running)
What I have tried to do to correct the error:
I have changed the possitions of the memory chip on all the diffrent slots.
Plugged off the harddrives, 3dcard and everything else but CPU and MEMORY.
I have even plugged the Mainboard battery off, and kept it off for 10 minutes.
Anyone know what the **** is wrong ?
I appreciate all kind of tips and hints !
Thanks in advance...
Haakon / Oslo / Norway :D

solved the problem by connecting the 4 pin power plugg onto the mainboard...
i'm not at my top 10 today... sorry

K8N Neo2 Platinum 54G BIOS problem

I recently bought a MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum-54G mainboard with W7025NMS v1.3 092204 revision of BIOS.
AMD Athlon64 3000+ 939 is installed on the mainboard, with 2x512 GEIL PC3200 memory modules in dual channel configuration working on default frequency of 200MHz. CPU is recognized correctly as AMD Athlon64 3000+ on startup.
Mainboard’s BIOS seems to be corrupted. In Cell Menu options, in the upper left part of the screen (printed blue) are processor and DDR working timings:
Current CPU Clock 1810MHZ, Current DDR Clock 200MHz.
Aggressive Timings and Dynamic Overclocking values are [Disabled] (processor working on its defaulf settings); Spread Spectrum is [Disabled] while all DRAM Configuration settings are set to [Auto].
While entering HT frequency settings, (locked to [x5]) there are no other values to select – empty, and there is no way to leave it (ESC doesn’t help, the only thing possible to do is to reset the computer by pressing the Reset button on the chassis), but the HT frequency settings were enabled when I loaded Fail-Safe settings, offering [1x], [1.5x], [2x], [2.5x], [3x], [4x], [5x].
Adjust CPU Ratio settings offer only [StartUp], [x4]~[x9] values, but as I understood by reading the manual there should be [StartUp], [x4]~[x20].
CPU Voltage, Memory Voltage and AGP Voltage are set to default.
CPU-Z, as well as SiSoft Sandra 2004 and SiSoft Sandra 2005 and MSI CORE CELL show that processor works at a core speed ~1005MHz, showing multiplier locked on x5.0 and HTT locked at ~200MHz, while the voltage is ~1.05V!
I downloaded the latest BIOS revision (v1.4), did the BIOS flash, but the problem remains!
Anybody, help!

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HT frequency
is a known fault in bios & is easily sorted Bas HT Bios Error
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CPU Ratio settings
AMD64 CPOU's have a lock on CPU ratios which varies according to the specification of the chip. therefore the multiplier available in your bios stops at the max multiplier allowed by amd for your cpu.
As an example i'm running a 3200 754 which has a maximum muliplier of 11 so that is the max i see in bios.
this guide may help Bios Guide

Kingston HyperX Memory & K8N Neo2 Platinum

Hello.
I have a MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum board (BIOS 1.3) with AMD 64 3000+ 939 CPU.
I am trying to run this with 2 Kingston HyperX PC3200 512MB memory (KHX3200ULK2/1G). This is the latest "Ultra-low Latency" memory from Kingston.
When I run this memory with NO overclocking at 2-2-2-5-1 at 2.7 volts (standard setting for this memory) with a single module, I get NO errors. When I try both chips in dual-channel mode, I get errors (on MemTest86).
(I also get errors if I run this memory on "Auto" setting in BIOS)
I CAN run 2 sticks of Crucial PC3200 512MB (regular, not Ballistix) at standard settings in dual-channel with no errors.
Has anyone got this memory to work on this board in dual-channel mode? If so, how? At what timings?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Originally posted by Xak
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Originally posted by GlennVidia
In the meantime...
Try loosening up the memory timings first, start with 2-2-2-8 thru 2-2-2-11
Then if no luck try 2-3-2-6 thru 10 or 11 you may even have to resort to 2.5 3-3-X
You should be able to at least find a sweeter spot.
You may even have to go to 2T and non aggressive settings.
Why would the timings work when in single channel mode, but not in dual channel, when the Crucial memory works fine in dual channel at the same timings used in single channel?
On a side note, the Kingston pair was purchased together in a matched set, while the 2 Crucial sticks (actually the memory from my system) were bought seperately over a month apart.
The timings that RZT tried are the exact ones Kingston specifies for that model, there should be NO reason whatsoever they wouldn't work at those timings, dual or single channel.
Please correct me if I am wrong...
First of all, I said "in the meantime," meaning until someone else came up with a better answer. If I have problems with memory, regardless of what the manufacturer says' I hunt for a sweetspot (if there is one).
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Why would the timings work when in single channel mode, but not in dual channel, when the Crucial memory works fine in dual channel at the same timings used in single channel?
That's like trying to compare apples to oranges. Two different manufacturers and likely different chips onboard, not to mention likely different PCB design.
What I suspect is either one stick is further out of spec than the other and they are not a properly matched pair. Kingston has a history with the nForce chipset which leaves little to be desired.
That is why you might see very similar systems, and one works with the same ram, and the other doesn't. It's called parametric differences. In short, one stick my be at the upper end of the spec and the other stick may be at the lower end. Then, throw in the motherboard, and the CPU, (now with the onboard memory controller) while we're at it, and you have a real touchy situation. There is little room for lower quality. That is why matched pairs exist. Doesn't mean it's mandatory, however.
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On a side note, the Kingston pair was purchased together in a matched set, while the 2 Crucial sticks (actually the memory from my system) were bought seperately over a month apart.
I take it you know this person, otherwise this is not making sense or you are a pretty slick hijacker
Matched set can still be flawed, I get em from the best once in a while. It may not be the RAM at all. Only way to tell for sure is to try it on another identical system or try another pair that passes muster in another identical system. All this speculating is useless unless you've exhausted all possibilities.
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The timings that RZT tried are the exact ones Kingston specifies for that model, there should be NO reason whatsoever they wouldn't work at those timings, dual or single channel.
Please correct me if I am wrong...
Not wrong, maybe a little overoptimistic. Some situations warrant different measures. It's not that black and white, nor is it written in stone. At this point it only indicates there is indeed a problem, where it lies, would be better off using a dartboard to guess at this point.

K8N Neo2 Platinum Ordered - Advice for a noob please

Hi there,
this seems like a great forum, was hoping someone could give me some advice - Im trying to pre-empt any major probs....
I am a relative noob to building P.C's - done a few P4 based systems before but this will be my first Athlon based. This systems primary use will be gaming. I have the following on order (should be with me next week) : -
a) MSI K8N NEO2 Platinum Edition SCK 939 Motherboad
b) AMD ATHLON 64 3500+ 64bit SCK 939 Retail Inc Fan
c) 160GB Maxtor Calypso 8mb Cache 7200 SATA DHH
Components I have already
a) Graphics Card - Nvidia 6800 GT
b) Memory - Generic 2 X 512MB PC2700 DDR333 RAM
c) Sound Card - Creative SB Live Value
d) PSU - Jeantech 450W (22a on 12V Rail)
e) Case - pretty generic full tower case - no fans attached
f) CPU FAN - COOLERMASTER HYPER 48 SUPER SILENT HEATPIPE
g) Spare Hard drive - 120GB Maxtor IDE Hard drive
h) DVD Drives - 1 x Pioneeer 108 / 1 x Pioneer 104
I) Monitors - Ilyama 17" TFT & Toshiba 32WL36P LCD
I have some 'noobish' questions - apologies for my ignorance : -
1) Memory - Will my memory be okay ? Should I ditch it and buy some Corsair DDR400 (which everyone else seems to have!). Will performance suffer if I stick with the DDR 333 ? Do I need to adjust settings in BIOS regarding memory timing ? (I only picked up on this from reading through other posts on this board, and am totally clueless on 'timing'- Ive never needed to adjust timing on any previous PC's....!)
2) Sound Card - will I be better off sticking with the onboard sound on the MSI K8N neo 2 ? Or for best performance do I go with the SB LIve ? (god its a nightmare trying to get updated drivers for this card), Would I get a noticable performance increase buying an Audigy 2?
3) Vcore / other power issues - Reading this forum Im kinda scared by many posts along the lines of "..for stability I need to change my memory voltage to xx-V" or "...for a stable system I needed to change my Vcore to xx-V". Will I need to change the Bios default values on this system just to get it to run stably??
4) CPU FAN - Are AMD stock fans any good ? My Hyper 48 is quite highly rated....
5) Im completely new to SATA drives, but Ive printed off the very useful install guide on this site (which I intend to use). Is there anything I need to look out for concerning adding my IDE drive also.
I think thats about it just now - if anyone can see any other potential problems with my specs then please let me know. Im really not trying to be negative / pessimistic - after all the reason I have went for this motherboard is that it is rated as one of the best. Im just a bit paranoid that the dreaded B.S.O.D awaits me!
On a more positive note - does anyone have similar system specs they use for gaming ? How well does HL2 / Doom3 / Farcry etc fly J ? I cant wait !
Thanks for the time

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Boot failure - k8n neo2 plat

Hi, I'm having trouble
Just purchased an MSI k8n neo2 plat mobo with an amd 64 3000+ and finally got her all setup... well minus the geforce 6600 gt arriving tomorrow and I still need to figure out what I'll do as far as memory goes. Ah but I forget myself... the problem at hand is this; I am unable to boot the system and the d-bracket indicates its current status is "Processor initialization..." Then nothing. Blank screen.
LED's btw:
red green
green red
thanks for any help
Sytem specs:
k8n neo2
amd xp 64 3000+
geforce 2 mx
1x mushkin pc2700 256mb (test mem)
60gb maxtor
generic cd-writer
PS is @POWER 430w with:
+3.3v = 28a
+5v = 40a
+12 = 17a

1)I'd go further than shturmovik in your 12v amps requirement you need at least 24a especially with your new graphic card.
see Basic Building Tips - Quote
As this pertains to A64's make sure that you have a power supply that is either approved for use by MSI/AMD or that you have plenty of amps on the 12 volt rail. Typically we have noted many issues based on stability with PSU's being rated at less than 24A on the 12v rail.
Power Consumption: NVIDIA vs. ATI
2)The D-Led Quote
Processor initialization
also covers memory issues as with the 64 the memory controller is on the CPU.
as your 1x mushkin pc2700 256mb (test mem) this rules out any dual channel problems.
which slot is it in.

Problems with k8n neo2

i have just got my self a msi K8N NEO2, amd 3500 (clawhammer). every thing started ok but since i updated to the lastest bois my graphics card keeps crashing on all my games. any ideas? My graphics card is ati 9600pro with the lastest driver.

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Okay
Syar2003 had a post where he said that 9600pro should have a 1.6 voltage....
Think this is it
K8N Neo AMD 64 3000+ ATI Radeon 9600xt trouble
Don't know if this may help K8N Neo Platinum & Sapphire Radeon 9600
A64 3200+/K8N Neo Platinum Freezes in Games - Syar2003
luck

K8N Neo2 Plat PS/2 problems (power?)

system:
MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum
Winchester 3000+
1GB Mushkin PC3200
nV gf 5600 256MB
80GB Seagate sata
Pioneer DL DVD+-RW
Antec Solution w/
420w Tt purepower 18A +12V
19" KDS flat
mitsumi card reader/floppy
win xp professional
ok i've been having some intermittent problems with this system, namely, the PS/2 ports will not work sometimes... and it seems that its consistently on EVERY OTHER boot... not on a cold start, or a warm start... EVERY OTHER no matter the method of boot/post... restart/cold anything
it is not OS issue, because on this every other start, i also cannot use keyboard to enter bios (so it isn't working BEFORE the sata drive even starts)
ALSO, when shutting down windows, the "It is now safe to shut your computer down" microsoft screen appears, and the softoff doesn't kick in.... you must use power button...
(also, this is an ATX system )
SO.....
is it power?
or mobo?
your comments please

Pull the card reader and retry it...

MSI K8N Neo2, can't install Windows

MSI K8N Neo2
Amd 64 3500+
Ocz 3700 EB 512Mb x 2 / Corsair pc4400 512Mb x 2
DDR Booster
Radeon 9600XT / GeForce Ti 4200
Audigy 2
IBM Deskstar 40Gb (My raptor is on rma r&r)
Psu Enermax 460w
The system is watercooled.
My Windows got bad after SP2 was installed so I went to reinstall Windows...
When I try to install Windows XP Pro I get Blue Screen/system freeze/black screen.
This happens soon as the cd starts to read the files/installing files after format.
I haven't been able at all to install Windows successfully (I don't even get to windows).
My system is listed above and as you can see I have tried with 2 different graphic cards, 2 different rams and with/without the booster, with/without the soundcard, 3 different dvdplayers and 3 different Windows XP Pro.
Och and yes I have tried the hardware (except mb & cpu, don't have another Amd 64 mb or cpu) in an another computer and they work fine.
Nothing works.
Could it be that the mb that is bad or?

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Originally posted by kensterman
Is your CDROM drive okay? How about the XP CD itself? Either way, it sounds like it's bombing duing the reading/ copying of the files..
I have tried with 3 different dvdrom drives and 3 different XP cd's, results are the same.

Chipset voltage adjustment (K8n neo2 plat)

I posted this in overclocking, with no luck. Sorry to be repetitive . . .
Where in the BIOS do I adjust the chipset voltage?

My ram happily does 290 at 2.5-4-3-10. I haven't yet tested how it handles higher timings. But, it seems to perform quite nicely.
What I want to do is 333X7.5 with 5:6 mem divider, just to see how the increased FSB goes. Anyone know if there are hard voltmods (you know with sawter, where you just set your warranty card on fire) for the chipset voltage?
My setup:
MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum
A64 3000+ 90nm
1 GB OCZ PC3200 EL platinum Rev2
BFG 6800GT OC at 425/[email protected]
Stuff, things, junk, wires, and some random-ass bits of copper glued to all sorts of things. About to break out the mini-heatsinks for every flat, non-conductive thing on my mobo, starting with MosFets, and working up from there.

MSI K8N Neo2 Platimun BIOS Setup

I recently brought:
MSI K8N Neo2 Platimun
Athlon64 3000+ s939 box
2 Dual Channel 256Mb each (512total) Kingston at DIMM1 & DIMM2
MSI gForce4 MX440-VTP (Agp x4)
I read the manuals & guides in the forum but I couldn't understand how to SET THE BIOS.
In CORE CELL appears like this:
Current CPU clock 1810 Mhz
Current DDR clock 200 Mhz (<- NOT 400)
HT Frequency.................: 5x
Adjust CPU.....................: Startup
Adjust CPU FSB Frequency: 200
Adjust AGP Frequency......: 66
Adjust CPU VID................: Startup
CPU Voltage....................: By CPU VID
Memory Voltage...............: Auto
AGP Voltage....................: 1.50 V
Anyone can help me to SET my memory to 400 Mhz?
Thanks a lot, and sorry my ignorance & bad english
Federico. Montevideo-Uruguay

Te cuento que tambien tengo drama con mi mouse y teclados inalámbricos (PS/2) a veces... lo único q puedo hace es enchufar y desenchufar, prender y a pagar hasta q se deja de "tarar"
Ok, si vos decis q 200Mhz está bien... pero veo mal q el BIOS muestre eso ya q los anteriores mothers (como dije en el post anterior) muestran 400 Mhz... es para marearse.
Nota: Te cuento por si te interesa tb q compre un HD WD Raptor de 10000rpm y no podía instalarle ningun sistema (ni DOS ni Win98 ni XP) ya q tenía algun problema con el sector de booteo... al parecer la forma de particionar los discos de la instalación de WinXp no va muy bien o con este HD o con la mother... tuve q particionar con el viejo y querido FDISK y "santo remedio" (te aviso por si te comprás un disquito de estos )

These ATI cards 9500 Pro and 9700 Pro ok for MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum and winchester cpu? Compatible?

Looking at grabbing a used ATI 9500 Pro or used 9700 Pro AGP card for my MSI Neo2 Plat since I can't use my Matrox G400.
Any problems using either of the above cards? I don't play a huge amount of 3D games so I'm not going to grab a 9800 Pro or XT or 6600GT. A 9500 or 9700 Pro would allow me to play the newer games at reasonable resolutions. Just want to make sure they are compatible.
thanx

Ok guys, thanx for the feedback. I missed the 9500 Pro sale, so maybe its for the better. If I'm going to try a bit of 3D gaming, I may aswell get a little bit better card. So here is my question for you folks:
For my MSI K8N Neo2 and AMD64 3000+ system, I want a card that will have good 2D output and good DVD playback. I want to try some 3D games, but don't want to have the minimum. I was looking at used 9500 Pro's and the 9600 XT but I've come across a used 9700 Pro and a 9800 Pro and 9800 Pro with r360 core (almost a 9800XT). So if I get a 9700 Pro, what will I be able to play smoothly at what settings and what will I be unable to play. Ultimately, I may play mostly on my projector at 858 x 484, so maybe the cards don't matter too much. If I don't play 3D games much after a while, I'll probably downgrade, but I want to give it a try. I can't afford a new 9800 Pro/XT or 6600GT.
Used cards I'm deciding between. Have to act fast.
9700 Pro $170 CAD or 9800Pro $210 CAD or 9800 with r360 core $230. Price differences between the cards is as you see there.
thanx in advance for any feedback,

K8N Neo2 Driver Problem with PCI Bridge.

I updated the Bios on this machine last night to 1.04 from 1.03
K8N - Neo2
AMD 3500+ Retail Kit with Cooler
Antec True430W 3.3v/28A 5v/36A 12v/26A
OCZ 2X512 EL DDR400 PC 3200 Plat Ed Dual Channel
Seagate Barracuda 120g 7200 rpm SATA
TSST Corp DVD-ROM TS-H
ATI Radeon 9000 64mb AGP
Windows XP SP2
It started acting funny several hours after the update of the Bios, this AM it spontaneously rebooted and when it came up there was an error message about a damaged or corrupt Windows system file and suggested inserting the Windows Disk, which was done and then the system booted into windows. But the found new hardware came up and wanted driver for the PCI bridge, which I wasn't sure where it was so I let it complete without finding it and this is the error when I go to control panel/system/hardware/device mgr
Where do I get this driver? Is it on the driver disk that came with the motherboard? I don't remember having to install a driver for the PCI bridge.
thanks

OK I thought I'd post the resolution to my problem.
After my initial posts the machine not only became unstable but it wouldn't boot into windows saying there was a corrupt Windows System File.
1. It occured to me that when I downloaded the new bios and applied it that I had failed to customize the DRAM settings in the bios. This was important because when I was building the machine I couldn't get Windows XP to install it always pooped out someplace early in the install. At the time I was using default DRAM settings. But I came here and read through the forum and found a sticky at the top of the forum that had settings for a number of different memory sticks including mine. So I went back and updated my bios with those setting. Voila everything was cool and I was able to load windows and move forward. But I forgot that, and I attribute the instability of the system to that, wheter or not it was why the system eventually corrupted system board dirvers I don't know. But I did change that, as the system would boot but just not boot windows.
2. Next, I decided to attempt to repair my windows install. However first since I had already applied SP2, and my Install disk was just the plain retail without any Service Packs. I decided to make a new bootable install disk with SP2 slipstreamed into it so when I repaired I wouldn't have to reapply SP2. Here's the method that I used.
http://www.helpwithwindows.com/WindowsXP/winxp-sp2-bootcd.html
3. Utilized the windows repair feature of windows setup.
4. That worked my computer now booted into windows and I didn't lose data or configurations....whew!!
5. I still how ever was stuck with the original problem that started this thread..rats!! I thought SP2 would fix that.
6. I tried several times to get XP to update the driver, but I couldn't. I even tried to select the driver from the list that is one of the optioins when you are updating drivers. I found some but I wasn't sure which one that had PCI bridge in it was the right one. But the fact that when I was looking at the list of mfg only Compaq and NVidia were available. So a light bulb went off and opened up MSI Live and looked at what was available in drivers, and sure enought there was a NVida driver. So I figured I have nothing to lose.
7. Next I downloaded the latest NVida nForce3 system driverfrom MSI and applied.
8. Bingo that worked, no more yellow ?'s in my hardware list.
Machine working fine now. Still don't know if failing to insert the proper DRAM stuff caused this but it all started with the new bios so I am assuming it had some part.

K8N Neo2 + AMD 64 3000 (939)?

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