K8n Neo2 Plat Sata Raid 0 and IDE drive - Board won't detect IDE

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• K8N NEO2 Plat SATA issue

  I have RAID set for disable in the Bios as I am not using it, however right after POST I get the "seeking array", or something like that, message. PC seems to boot fine, but I am concerned that this will develop into a problem. I originally had RAID0 on a pair of Raptors, which worked fine but I was worried about HDD failure, so recently attempted to change to RAID0+1 with 4 matching Seagate SATA2 drives (jumper set for Sata150), but the array would not boot after installing XP, would just keep cycling reboot at the WinXP loading screen. So I gave up and just set it up with one drive, which works fine now, with the exception of the "seeking array" message after POST, which wasn't there originally when I changed from RAID to non-RAID. I have a feeling that there is something wrong with the SATA/RAID controller. Any thoughts?

  Quote from: LairdDrambeg on 10-June-07, 08:37:01
  Just goes to show the value of info you can stumble on through the Internet and Google.   The CMOS memory is far too small to hold the ESCD and is I/O mapped.  The ESCD is strictly "non-volatile" and removing the battery or clearing CMOS does not clear it - note, as I've already mentioned, many BIOS Setups included an option to "Reset ESCD".  The storage of configuration data in "NVRAM" started with IBM's MCA and the competing EISA, and was also necessary for the PCI architecture and PnP.  The spec calls for NVS (Non Volatile Storage) and it can be memory mapped, though this is not necessary.  I can assure you that in all current systems the NVS is an area of the same flash memory as the BIOS.
  I think you are mistaken.  Many bios flashing programs include options to reset ESCD, but that doesn't mean the ESCD data is in the flash rom.  The same bios flashing programs also include options to reset the CMOS and clearly that doesn't mean that the CMOS data is held in the flash rom!
  Yes, I agree that the ESCD data is held in non-volatile storage.  That's what CMOS is with a battery attached.
  Don't get me wrong - you *may* be correct, but I don't think so and I don't see any evidence above to change my mind.  As far as I know the ESCD data is held in the CMOS.  I can provide *many* sources confirming that ESCD data is held in the CMOS and have yet to see any stating its held in flash.
  Chip
  EDIT:  Some more sources for you:
  http://www.karbosguide.com/books/pcarchitecture/chapter25.htm
  "In connection with Plug and Play, it is necessary also to discuss the Extended System Configuration Data (ESCD) system. This is a small data area which is stored in the motherboard’s CMOS storage."
  http://www.techexams.net/technotes/cmos.shtml
  "Information about these PnP devices is stored in a separate area of non-volatile CMOS memory, called the ESCD (Extended System Configuration Database)."
  http://www.wimsbios.com/phpBB2/topic9308.html
  "ACPI/ESCD/PnP data is not stored onto the BIOS chip by the BIOS. It's written into (nv-)CMOS just like the other BIOS settings."
  http://www.bioscentral.com/misc/cmosmap.htm
  Below is a typical CMOS RAM memory map for an AT PC...  64 bytes (40h-7Fh) is the ESCD (Extended System Configuration Data).
  http://www.certiguide.com/aplush/cg_aph_VIICMOS.htm
  Today's modern computers have a bit more data in the CMOS. This information is titled: Extended System Configuration Data (ESCD). The ESCD has a special part of CMOS where certain settings are held.
  http://www.plasma-online.de/index.html?content=http%3A//www.plasma-online.de/english/help/solutions/win9x_escd.html
  Some BIOS's have a "Reset Configuration data" CMOS setup option to erase the ESCD
  http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies-archive.cfm/442306.html
  Each time a PC boots, the ESCD/DMI/PNP/ACPI data is written into the CMOS memory based on the system configuration that boot. if that data gets corrupted for any reason, CMOS checksum results.
  http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1436974
  "'Extended System Configuration Data', a format for storing configuration information about plug and play (PnP) devices, present on a computer system, in the CMOS memory."

• K8N Neo2 Plat / OC RAID Corruption?

  I applied a little OC - AMD X2 64 Winchester, MSI NEO2.. by dropping the HT
  to 4 and upping the FSB to 220...
  I have a HighPoint RocketRAID 464 PCI card w/ 4 HD's attached... I have set the AGP Bus to 67 - that should lock it and the PCI Bus-Correct?
  After running for a day or so, I noticed some files missing on the RAID array... I rebooted, XP went into chkdesk and 'fixed'
  the problem... the drive had become corrupt... I had also noticed the day before a large photoshop file was partially corrupt...
  Question: Does upping the FSB stress the RAID card.... any solutions? thoughts? Any software that will tell me what the PCI bus is running at?
  Thanks!

  I have run HTT @ 270 with disks on a pci card and on sata port 3/4 without corruption.
  AGP set at 66 .(the 67 thing was workaround with the first few bioses to avoid HTT dropping out of it's set fsb-speed).
  PCI bus is always locked 33.3333... on nforce3 250/Ultra regardless of agp .
  Your hd-file issue was probably caused by overclocked memory and bad settings .

• K8N Neo2 question about overclocking and sata ports 1 & 2

  Hi guys,
  I know that when overclocking, sata ports 1 & 2 cannot be locked like sata ports 3 & 4, and therefore hard drives on ports 1 & 2 can be corrupted.  However, I would like to understand what is failing when the unlocked ports get overclocked.  Is it the motherboard that makes mistakes or is it the drive?  Since the ports on the K8N Neo2 are Sata 150 (correct me if i'm wrong), would buying a sata 300 drive be able to survive overclocking?  Also, I would like to know the effect of overclocked sata ports on dvd burners as opposed to hard drives.  I am looking to buy two new Dvd drives/burners for this board and I would like to avoid buying IDE again.
  So, can anyone answer the above questions in detail?
  Thanks,
  Steven

  Quote from: SteveH647 on 24-September-09, 04:39:34
  But is it the HDD itself that fails at the higher frequency?  Or is it the HDD controller on the motherboard that fails?  What about DVD drives?  And what if the HDD is SATA 300 instead of SATA 150?
  Quote
  But is it the HDD itself that fails at the higher frequency?
  Yes.
  Quote
  Or is it the HDD controller on the motherboard that fails?
  No
  Quote
  What about DVD drives?
  Can't tell you, haven't maked such experiments.
  Quote
  And what if the HDD is SATA 300 instead of SATA 150?
  It will not change anything.

• NVidia Video Driver Causes Immediate freezing upon loading to desktop (K8N Neo2 Plat)...

  after many a reinstall, order of loading drivers, i have finally traced my system's problem to the nvidia video drivers.  i have no clue what to do.  install everything (new nforce drivers, sp2, audio and ethernet drivers, windowsupdate, etc.  EVERYTHING except running the nvidia video drivers package and the system does not freeze.
  as soon as the video drivers are loaded, restart and once i get to the desktop it freezes.  every single time.  go into safe mode, remove video drivers, restart and the system doesn't freeze.  fast write is disabled.  all dram settings at auto.  cool and quiet disableed.  system specs are:
  MSI K8N Neo2 Plat MB (bios is v1.3)
  AMD64 3200+ Winchester Core
  BFG 6800GT OC AGP Video Card
  2*512MB Mushkin Dual Channel Blue Ram (2-3-3-6-1T at 200Mhz)
  120GB WD Caviar 7200RPM 8MB Cache IDE HD
  NEC ND3520A 16x DVD Burner
  CoolerMaster Wave Master Aluminum Case
  Coolermaster RS-450-ACLY Power Supply
  any ideas?

  well i'll be damned.  spread spectrum.  it was spread spectrum being enabled.  there just isn't a more satifying feeling that thinking you figured out what was causing freezes and then finding out it's repeatable!!  
  spread spectrum on. freeze.  reboot.  freeze.  reboot. freeze.  spread spectrum disabled.  reboot.  no freeze.  reboot.  no freeze.   reboot.  no freeze.  spread spectrum back on.  reboot.  freeze.  reboot. freeze.
  i love it.

• New K8N NEO2 PLAT. and SC-939 3200+ help needed...

  Hello,
  I have just upgraded my system with K8N Neo2 Plat. and sc-939 3200+ A64 Cpu.
  There are several issues I need to resolve which are:
  1- Although I change from BIOS the settings for AGP to 4x8x and enable fast writes, I still cant see them turned on from the Catalyst Control Center. Everything is greyed out what can I do? They all used to be on and agp was 8x with my K7N2 Delta board....
  2- Although I installed the original drivers from the MSI CD, I couldn't get one of the network prts to install. Realtek installed OK. But other one is defined by the device manager as standart network adapter. What can I do?
  3- I am brand new to A64 system so I do not know what setting to use from BIOS can you help me out, for instance there are values for HT such as x3 x4 x5  mine is set to x5? what is this? should  I enable cool and quiet, I am not intended to do overclocking. Can you give me some tips for best performance?
  My best regards.

  Make sure your bios is up to date: version 1.5. Look at the sticky threads and use the information to enable hidden bios features. Disable ATI/NV speedup in the bios. Uninstall your drivers and reinstall. If the information is still greyed out, download the free version of Sandra here: http://downloads.guru3d.com/ and check the module under video system information. This will tell you if fast writes are enabled and your AGP setting. Leave the HT(hyper-transport) set to 5X unless you plan on oc'ing, if you do oc then may find you'll need to reduce it to 4X or 3X. Try downloading the latest driver for your network from the MSI website. Right click the device in device manager and select update, select specific location then "don't look...I'll choose", direct it to the file where you've unpacked the correct driver and then update.

• Can I use this hard drive with my K8N Neo2 Plat?

  Can I use this http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=101220-12 hard drive with my K8N Neo2 Plat?

  Quote from: Richard on 26-September-05, 00:25:21
  JustinSane,
  The short answer is:
  Yes
  Take Care,
  Richard
  LOL, thanks.

• K8N Neo2 Plat power and bios question

  I have a K8N Neo2 Plat. I use a UltraProducts 500W xconnect PSU and a BFG 6800 GT OC.
  A couple weeks ago the 6800 died. I contacted BFG and they sent me a new one.
  The new one died the same way after a week. They said to check the power levels on the +12 rail.
  In windows using softare tests it reports 13.58
  in the bios it reports 12.22
  both are over the allowed variance.
  Ultra products told me to check with my motherboard manufacturer to see if there was a BIOS setting that would let me set the power on the +12V rail. Is that possible?
  Is that something my K8N Neo2 Plat can do?

  No, you cannot lower the 12V-rail by a bios setting. I really don't see what they mean by that.
  Your motherboard does, however, regulate the power that comes from the power supply. Within certain margins it can lower the voltage and keep it steady. Your videocard can do the same. Now, depending on the tolerance (quality) of your hardware, you can vary on those margins. But on any piece of hardware, there is a point on which it cannot correct/lower a voltage that is too high. It then simply shuts down or dies.
  To my opinion, the PSU-maker gave you a very funny piece of advice. What he actually says is that their psu may give too high a voltage (I talk about the 13+ now), but your hardware should correct this. That's not the way it works: they should make psu's that give 12V where it should. So, I'd demand a replacement. But, before you do: use a multimeter to measure the 12V-rail. You cannot trust the board's measurement too well.
  But then, like Stick  says, I think that 12.22 is within mentioned margins. 13.58V is too high. So, that's why you should first measure using a multimeter. Measure for a longer time. System idle, system full load. Write everything down and see how steady this psu is. If 12V dances arround, replace it.

• K8N neo2 Plat problem with Inno3D 7600GS AGP, help pls...

  Just got the new Inno3d 7600GS AGP card, after installed & while booting up my monitor keep going off and on then suddenly just went off...sometime system freeze when it reach deskstop.
  Sometime lucky enough it will still there and the next few minute the system just freeze.
  After several attemp & no choice, I unplug the power to the graphic card and the problem still exist.
  I am using a HEC 350W PSU.
  I change back to my old ati9200se card & no problem at all.
  I changed to skyhawk 430W still same problem. even I boot up to safe mode still the same. Only time the monitor wouldn't go off untill it pass the winXP logo then the problem appear.
  I got no problem when go to CMOS as well.
  Already perform uninstall previous video driver, update latest nforce driver....all no use.
  K8N Neo2 Plat
  HEC 350W
  2 harddisk (1 SATA & 1 IDE)
  Any idea guys?
  Thanks

  What are your PSU amp for the +12V? What bios version are you using right now? Tried to disable the fast write in the Bios? Gd luck.

• K8N Neo2 plat, no post issue cont'd.

  Hi its me again, the guy with the intermittent "no post" k8n neo2 plat.
  Loaded the 1b3 beta the other day, again 1 day later the box would not post, as usual no
  indication on the D-bracket, just one flash of the keyboard, the fans span one half round.
  Since it could run for 1month plus with 1a3 beta BIOS(no usb2.0 (I could not wait any longer wanted usb2.0 so I flashed to a newer bios)),
   start thinking it could be something between these latter full versions and this.
  Then saw a thread on the web about someone having a Winnie that his box also has issues when swapping for latter
  version than 1.5, with 1.5 his plat run fine. Go figure.
  So for the time being I switched it to v1.5 bios, lets see how long it holds.
  oh btw, the CMOS clear "no effect" seem to be avoided, by unplugging every external
  peripheral prior to doing the cmos clear.

  Quote from: Mysticcal on 30-June-05, 06:26:41
  ...Speaker Beeps once, USB LEDS Hold at Green, Red, Green, Green...
  Tried everything, don't know what to do
  And for those that ask me, what HDs? What IDEs?
  Go take an A+ Course please. No one with 2 cells of brain capacity would hook everything up on first boot not knowing if it will work or not...
  Thanks, all help appreciated.
  The Led display from your D-Bracket indicates it is stopping when it tries to initialise the floppy drive.  You don't have one.  No A+ course needed, just hook up your floppy or disable it in the BIOS.  I have no floppy drive (I have no need) so have it disabled.  Probably best to hook up all relevant devices that will enable a working machine.  The BIOS is probably halting when it can't initialise a device.  There would be no point in it proceeding if it doesn't have all devices needed for a bootable machine...
  See D-Bracket guide here D-Bracket Guide
  I'm only guessing.

• A few K8N Neo2 Plat problems

  Just getting this new rig up and going K8N Neo2 Plat with a 3200 Winchester 90nm CPU and 1GB (2x512) OCZ PC3200 Plat. rev2.  My memory is not showing to be running in Dual Channel.  and Sandra bandwidth is horrible to say the least.   I have flashed to the latest bios that MSI has on the site, are their any better ones?  I see some people running different versions of 1.3 bios, where are they?  I have two Barracuda 80Gb S-ATA set up on #3-4 Sata connectors too in Raid (0).

  Skeen, Duke is right. I have the same memory and you MUST use slot 1&2 for dual channel support. Look inthe manual on the page about memory. It gives 2 charts. The first one is for dual channel memory and the second one is for normal memory. Also I did a Sandra test that is somwhere here in the forums where I posted the results with 1&2 and 3&4 and 1&2 was slightly faster. Use them (the ones closest to the CPU).

• Freezing issues with K8N Neo2 Plat & 6800 gt

  Well I get random freezing during games. Sometimes it freezes for 5-10 seconds then comes back, while other times it just freezes and the sound comes back but not the game.
  I had this problem when I first upgraded.
  K8N Neo2 plat
  1gb corsair xms 3200
  athlon 64 3500
  aslo have:
  420-30? antec tru power supply. I cant remember exact number.
  6800gt ultra
  audigy 2 plat
  Now I first posted my problem a while ago and someone told me to try chaning the HT to 4x instead of 5x. So I did and it worked. It worked for a few weeks and now the problems have come back.
  Any Ideas?

  Along with the above issues, I've also found that a lot of my gaming probs with the 6800 are due to it being a "bandwidth hog" & it's latency needs to be adjusted lower to enable the other devices on the PCI bus (i.e. sound card) to get enough bandwidth to function properly. This isn't noticeable until you start some heavy gaming with a lot going on at once...
  If your game ever practically chugs to a halt when a lot of sounds are being produced, this is the main problem. Here's a way & some notes on how to deal with it. Just like every "tweak" though, it's not guaranteed to work for everyone but I got noticeable benefits from it.
  - D/L (I got it @ guru3D) PCI Latency Tool & give the "Read Me" a quick once-over. Write down the values for your devices, in case you need/want to change 'em back. Most items are well labeled - the 6800 & your sound card will be what you are most interested in. I wouldn't mess with the rest of 'em, as they deal with low level system items that are best left alone. Unless you are truly an Uber Geek!
  - The latency for my 6800 listed as a massive 248 clks! For some reason, I've read that ATI cards don't default at such a large value, which might explain why people don't seem to have as many performance issues with 'em. Anyhow lower the 6800 to a more "reasonable" value, like 128 or 64. 64 seemed to work best for me.
  - Save the settings, reboot & test it out. You can experiement with the sound card latency too, in order to find what works best for you, but I wouldn't set it at less than it's default value (32).
  Hope this helps.

• K8n neo2 Plat 54G, allround WLAN card

  Does someone know if the WLAN PCI card provided with
  the k8n neo2 Plat 54G will work in any other PCI slot
  on any other motherboard? Reason I ask is the orange
  colour slot on k8n Neo2, which is 'reserved' for the
  WLAN PCI card, hints to be some kind of conditional slot?
  I have a wireless network at home, but not using the k8n
  wirelessly, but some other boxes could.

  Sorry to bring up an old thread, but figured someone might have use of this info.
  As an update, a good while back I put this WLAN card in an ECS VIA KM266 board, seemed to work, but was not too pleased with its performance or the SW MSI had along with this card. So I used another wireless solution instead.
  Today decided to see if any new drivers around for this card.
  The wireless chip on this card is a RT2500 by RaLink.
  Looked up at their website and found driver version 3.2.0.0, date 26-Oct-2007.
  http://www.ralinktech.com/ralink/Home/Support/Windows.html
  This driver appear to work OK, the connection stays up, even at weak transmission conditions. The speed is not amazing but works. I assume it works reasonably well under good signal conditions.
  EDIT: new version posted, version 3.2.0.10, date 12-Feb-2009.
  http://www.ralinktech.com/support.php?s=1

• K8N Neo2 Plat - No start beep...

  Hello,
  Does anyone finaly found why with the K8N Neo2 Plat board sometime the puter wont beep and start? Need to shut it down and try a few time before it does beep and start the puter? Basicaly the problem is that when you start the computer you should hear a beep then you will see something in your monitor screen such as drive information, cpu speed and memory then it will search for cd, floppy boots and then windows will start if no boots are found but there is no beep and nothing appear on the screen then you have to shutdown the puter and try a few reboot then somehow it decide to beep and start...
  I've read many thread and I tryed this so far:  
  -Removed Keyboard and mouse
  -Tryed to push harder the video card in its slot
  -Tryed to push harder the memory in their slot
  -Tryed to push harder the sound card in its slot
  -Tryed to push harder the LAN card in its slot
  -Tryed to start the computer without the monitor
  -Tryed to remove all my additional fans to give more power.
  -Tryed to reinstall Windows XP SP2
  -Took a look at the cpu and cpu fan
  -Changed my video card for a new one
  -Tryed to remove memory and it only does a long beep and no system start at all. (which is normal)
  -Removed Spectrum, aggressive timing in bios, no overclock setting also.
  I have tryed all these and still have problem starting my computer. Is it a motherboard problem? a Power supply problem? a Cpu problem? A memory problem? If anyone can help to find out it would be great!
  By the way maybe its because im not english but I dont know what PSU mean, can anyone tell me?  Thanks
  Sorry for my english!  

  You might want to try a better PSU as the Antec SL400 does only 18amps....
  It's overloaded at 23A....see the specs....
  Spec of the Antec SL400

• Neer WXP RAID and SSCI driver for my Satellite C650-10K

  Does anybody know where I can find the Raid and SSCI driver for my Satellite C650-10K?

  Hi buddy,
  Are you sure that you need RAID or SCSI (not SSCI) driver for Satellite C650?
  As far as I know this model doesnt support such hardware
  I think you need drivers for SATA controller. This package is called Intel Storage Manager and can be downloaded on official Toshiba website.
  Here is an interesting article about XP installation with SATA drivers:
  http://aps2.toshiba-tro.de/kb0/TSB85017Z0000R01.htm