K8N Neo2: Stupid question...

For the past several years, I've been running Raid0 on a variety of boards.
Just about to do a new Vista RC install on my K8N Neo2, and I want to do a non-raid install on an old 250GB Samsung sata disk I have lying around.
Stupid question: Is there any need/advantage to enable the raid controller? Its been so long since I have done a non-raid install, I can't remember.
I seem to recall there being some advantage in having the disk running off the raid controller, even though its not in a raid array, but I can't quite remember.
Any comments?
Cheers
Chippy

Chippy,
No benefit in enabling the RAID Controller if you are not using it.
Take Care,
Richard

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NOOB -MSI K8N NEO2 Platinum questions

Hi
I coming from an Intel background but am now considering changing to AMD; i'd like to keep my agp x800xt pe card and get a MSI K8N NEO2 Platinum board but have got a few questions /concerns.
I have looked on several forums including MSI's own forum and noticed people having problems with corsair value select memory modules.
My questions which i'd be grateful for answers to are:
1. Am gamer and planning to also purchase a 4000+ to put in it - will the board recognise it straight away or will I need to update BIOS..
2. Want to transfer my current 4x512mb 3200 Corsair Value Select sticks to my new board - will there be any compatibility problems? (cannot afford to buy new memory)
3. Will I be able to run the memory 200 + ? as heard the boards base clock for a 4000+ is 166
4. If I can run these at 200 can i do this straight away or will i need to overclock them slowly to get to 200 (will the board see them as 3200 and start at 200?)
5. Anything else I should know/look out for?
Many thanks to all. My first post here so hello to everyone.

Hello !!
Let´s try to answer your questions...
1. It depends on which Bios Version is installed out of the Box, i suggest version 1.8, if you are not using a Venice / Dual-Core or later CPU Core. The advantages of biosses later than version 1.8 are the new Steppings Support and some new Memory Timing Options available in Bios Setup.
2. I do not know exactly, i think most corsair sticks are running well on this Board if you are not going to overclock. But it depends on which Chips are used your Corsair Modules. What could be a problem is that you are going to use 4 Ram Sticks, because with Winchester Cores you would not be able to run 4 Sticks in PC3200Dual Channel Mode (DDR333), even if your Ram would be 100% compatible with your MOBO. Venice and later Cores are able to handle 4 sticks at 400Mhz DDR clock. Except you own 4 single sided Ram Modules.
3. Should be possible if your memory likes it.....
4. No, the Bios will recognize your SPD Timings. So you will have to overclock them from a 166Mhz Memory Divider Base.
5. Take a look here:
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=46730
https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=72024.0
http://www.msi.com.tw/html/products/mainboard/testreport_pdf/7025/memory.pdf
Good Luck
Greetz MurdoK

K8N Neo2 memory question

Im building my new system
AMD 64 3800+
MSI K8N NEO2 Mbo
1 gig dual channel Corsair 400
Ati X800XL
Audigy 2 ZS
The memory I bought is dual channel PC 3200 for 400 speed.
Now in the BIOS I only have option up to 200 frequency speed .
The available options are 100, 133, 166, and 200
Is this correct?
Now there is another option called High Performance mode.
here I can adjust the memory up to 400.
I havent touch this because I dont know if its here where I can increase the speed or not, I rather ask first.
Thanks a lot

The first option you mentioned is to set the frequency for the CPU. The second is to set the frequency for the memory. So if your CPU is a 200MHz set that at the first option then x 2 for the memory option.
Good Luck
Jeremy

K8N Neo2 NIC Questions

I started getting software lock ups with the nVidia driver NVNRM.SYS.
I had to reinstall Windows after several blue screens.
So I disabled the nVidia NIC card and enabled the Gigabyte.
Can I uninstall the NForce Ethernet drivers if I'm using the Gigabyte NIC?
Thanks,
Bill

Thanks for the BTW, and you are not the only one to suggest that I installed the Firewall...but I didn't. At least not knowingly.
I went in and deleted NVNRM.SYS and the nVidia NIC stopped working.
I reinstalled the 5.10 nForce set and during install got a blue screen memory dump caused by NVNRM.SYS.
I got so tierd of blue screen crashes, I went to the Gigabyte NIC.
All seems ok for now...I hope.
Bill

K8N Neo2-F Hardware RAID question

Hi guys,
Question for you. I have a Hitrachi 160GB SATA drive and I installed x64. After all is good and well I went out and got a second identical drive. I would now like to have these two drives Raided with the hardware raid. When I go into the RAID setup after POST, I can see both, add both, and mirror both. When I reboot, all I get is a post and it just stops after showing that box where it lists everything in the computer and what has what IRQ's. No error messages saying no boot drive, no system disk, etc. I switch it back and I can boot with the one drive. I also noticed during the RAID config, it asks me if I want to erase the drive. I always say no because I'm scared that it will erase the primary drive that I need to keep and not the new one for mirroring. Can anyone help me or confirm I'm doing this right. Thank you very much in advance.
Matt
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You windows installation don't have the nvraid drivers loaded sou you won't be able to boot that windows installation
with the xp64 disk put in a enabled raid array .
But perhaps you can fool the system by doing this .
Leave the xp64 HD as is (just as a regular sata say at sata 1 )
Connect the new disk to the other sata controller , say sata 3 ( as they are controlled in pairs )
Set sata 3 as raid enabled and create a raid-1 array in the nvidia raidbios with just this single drive in it .
Boot windows xp64 from the normal enabled xp-HD and it should detect new hardware is added and ask for drivers .
Install the nvidia raid drivers and reboot when asked .
Then check if you have raid manager and raid drivers enabled in the windows installation .
After this point you can proceed to do the thing you first tried .(but without clearing the disk)
Delete the workaround fake raid you made with the new disk .
Shut down and move the hd-connectors again so that you have the two drives either at sata 1+2 or sata 3+4 .
Make a new array that includes the xp installation with only this disk in it , leave the other one free .
Try to boot the system .
If it boots you use nvraid manager in windows to add the second drive and let the array rebuild (sync drives )
Note that rebuilding take several hours to complete .
Look in the nvraid user guide for details .
To fully understand the nvidia raid it's wise to read this from start to finish a couple of times ,
and to have a hardcopy of it printed out.
A copy of the nvraid userguide rev.20 here :
ftp://ftp.tyan.com/manuals/m_NVRAID_Users_Guide_v20.pdf

Question about K8N Neo2 Platinum mainboard.

About a couple of weeks ago I found that none of the USB ports of the K8N Neo2 Platinum mainboard are working correctly. Every time I plug a USB device I get the following error message:
"USB Device Not Recognized.
One of the USB devices attached to this computer has malfunctioned, and Windows does not recognize it. For assistance in solving this problem, click this message."
Because of this, I found that there's a device in the Device Manager called:
Under SCSI and RAID Controllers section:
+ AUL14T9L IDE Controller
The question is for the ones having this same motherboard:
Do you see this device as well?.
Thank you very much!

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Think you might try to clear CMOS.
I did it twice this week.
First time I left clearing the CMOS all night. The problem was not fixed.
Second time I left clearing the CMOS all night and I removed the battery as well. All night too. No luck
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But first please say what BIOS you got now
The most updated one: 1.0D. Should I try 1.B?
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About the unknown device, are motherboard drivers installed? Is there some USB or other devices attached you haven't mentioned?
I installed the motherboard drivers downloaded from the MSI web site:
http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?func=downloaddetail&type=driver&maincat_no=1&prod_no=587
They are the NVIDIA nForce3 System Drivers:
Win2K/XP driver package 5.03 contains the below components:
Ethernet NRM driver version 4.42 (WHQL)
Network management tools version 4.42
GART driver version 3.77 (WHQL) with updated uninstaller files
SMBus driver version 4.04 (WHQL) with updated uninstaller files
Win2K IDE 2.6 driver version 4.46 (WHQL) with updated uninstaller files
WinXP IDE 2.6 driver version 4.46 (WHQL) with updated uninstaller files
And believe me. Nothing is attached to USB ports.

Question about k8n neo2 temperature regulation

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I got a slight problem with my k8n neo2. As posted in the thread of drutten (Always get this message after a cold start up"plz reset overclocking features in the setup menu") I'm experiencing a strange boot behaviour when i turn on the computer the first time. All d-leds remain red for ~ 30 secs and the black screen stays black. Then the computer proceeds through the booting sequence (and my monitor turns on). After the IDE detection i get the error message 'system in safe mode, please reset overclocking features'. After ignoring this message everything runs really perfect.
I observe this error only, when the computer was off for a couple of hours (and actually unplugged as i had a bad experience with a lightning some years ago).
I was just thinking could it be that the computer is actually to cold, when i first switch it on. And that this is somehow read by the mainboard and treated as an error ?
thanks in advance, vanish

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As stated above it reads a hypertransport frequency of 1005 mhz and a memory bus frequency of 402 mhz. My bios settings are htt multiplier = 5x and fsb = 200.
And i never came close to the sliders in the nvidia system utility, i mean i did't set there something myself. I basically just use the system utility to read out the temperature values - as the core center reports only rubbish to me. (system temp alternating between 0°C and N/A & cpu temp in my opinion a bit high and constantly fluctuating). By the way: the cpu voltage is reportet as 1.4, something that i dont believe :-)
The nvidia readout made me guess that the fsb must be 201 mhz to crat such values, therfore i set the fsb in the bios at fsb = 201 and surprise: the nvidia sytem utility reports the htt as 1000 mhz and the ddr frequency as 400 mhz. Does this make sense to anyone of you?
I also got a second question: Does a fsb of 201 do any harm to my system ? (cool and quiet is off, as i understand that this could be troublesome. the agp frequency is 66 mhz).
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vanish
(hope anyone sees this post in this mistermed thread)
edit: well sisoft sandra reports a htt of 1005 and a ddr freq of 402 regardless of setting the fsb in the bios to 201 or 200. So i guess its a flaw in the nvidia system utility. So
1. are thes values then normal
2. can i reduce the values with the bios to 1000 mhz / 400 mhz in some way

K8N Neo2-FX CPU compatibility question

Thinking about upgrading my Athlon 64 to a dual core, and can't seem to find out anywhere if the CPU I want to buy is compatible with my mobo (K8N-Neo2-FX). I don't see why not, but you never know. I'm looking at an Athlon 64 X2 3800+ Toledo (Model # ADA3800DAA5CD). The MSI compatibility chart doesn't even seem to know that this CPU exists (the only Toledo cores it lists are the 2x1MB L2 cache models, and this is a 2x512KB). I don't want to buy the CPU if it won't work - anybody know if this combo will work out okay? Thanks for any help anyone can give me.

Thanks guys! I guess I'll go ahead and get my chip. One other question that's arisen, though. I'm also looking at an eVGA 7800GS AGP GPU upgrade. From what I can see this card is BIG (I'm talking physical size). It looks like the HSF on the chipset of the Neo2-FX is pretty much right beside the AGP slot - does anyone know if this GPU will fit on this board, or does that HSF get in the way? Thanks again!

Questions RE: K8N Neo2 Install

I've always been an Intel man, and my new build represents the first time that I'll be delving into the world of AMD, so I have some questions.
First, some quick specs:
AMD Athlon 64 3500+
K8N Neo2 Platinum
1 Gig Corsair TwinX XMS 3200LL 400Mhz (4x 256MB sticks)
2x 36 Gig WD Raptors for RAID0
Seagate Barracuda 200 Gig Standalone
Chaintech GeForce 6800 GT
Antec 430w PS
And now on to the inquiries:
1) The processor seems to come with some thermal goop already applied to the heatsink. Is this sufficient out of the box or will I need to use more? Intel chips have always included a little bottle of the stuff.
2) What will I have to do in the BIOS in order to get this memory working optimally? I've read through some threads briefly but so far I'm still a tad confused as to how to go about doing this properly.
3) I read the RAID FAQ that's floating around here, and it seems simple enough. Is there anything I should watch out for given my specific hard drive combo?
That should do it for now.
Thanks in advance for any help.

Just set up a similar system myself although I had hell getting my WD360 Raptors setup in a Raid0 configuration - turned out that it would only work after I swapped my optical drive out for another - weird or what?!
Whilst on the subject, in the Bios DMA transfers for the SATA ports is disabled by default so you'll want to turn that on. Personally, I set the stripe size in the Raid Bios to 64K and also formatted the array with 64KB clusters. I did this with my last Nforce2 board which went great guns for 18 months and with this board I'm getting 10 - 20% performance increase over that.
I've not tested this theory myself yet, but going on what others have posted, SATA ports 3&4 (next to the CPU) seem to allow for better overclocks.
Regarding the thermal pad that comes attatched to the cooler - I too have heard it sticks like glue and if you ever wish to remove the heatsink it's likely to destroy the CPU in the process. You'll need a solvent remover to easily clean it off (don't use a scourer!). You'll want to invest in some decent thermal compund such as Arctic Silver.
As for Ram, I know that it's pretty much touch and go using 4x512MB sticks - you might be lucky with your 256MB modules though. It used to be that Intel boards offered superior compatability and overclocking performance with Ram. However, with the advent of the new Samsung and Micron performance Ram, the A64 offers even better overclocking albeit with newer modules. Also, more important with A64 is not the bandwidth but the latency. Theres an option for 1T or 2T - 1T is worth 40Mhz or so bandwidth at 2T so try to keep it at 1T. It's a matter of trial and error in your case so you'll need a tool such as Memtest86 which will allow you to test withut screwing up your OS installation.
In addition to this, there's an option for Max memory speed with options of 200Mhz down to 100Mhz. These are in fact ratio's - 200 being 1:1 and 100 being 2:1 (FSB to Ram). Using these, you can raise the FSB for CPU overclocking while keeping your Ram speed down to a usable level.

K8N Neo2 question about overclocking and sata ports 1 & 2

Hi guys,
I know that when overclocking, sata ports 1 & 2 cannot be locked like sata ports 3 & 4, and therefore hard drives on ports 1 & 2 can be corrupted. However, I would like to understand what is failing when the unlocked ports get overclocked. Is it the motherboard that makes mistakes or is it the drive? Since the ports on the K8N Neo2 are Sata 150 (correct me if i'm wrong), would buying a sata 300 drive be able to survive overclocking? Also, I would like to know the effect of overclocked sata ports on dvd burners as opposed to hard drives. I am looking to buy two new Dvd drives/burners for this board and I would like to avoid buying IDE again.
So, can anyone answer the above questions in detail?
Thanks,
Steven

Quote from: SteveH647 on 24-September-09, 04:39:34
But is it the HDD itself that fails at the higher frequency? Or is it the HDD controller on the motherboard that fails? What about DVD drives? And what if the HDD is SATA 300 instead of SATA 150?
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But is it the HDD itself that fails at the higher frequency?
Yes.
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Or is it the HDD controller on the motherboard that fails?
No
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What about DVD drives?
Can't tell you, haven't maked such experiments.
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And what if the HDD is SATA 300 instead of SATA 150?
It will not change anything.

Sound Question for K8N Neo2 Platinum

Here's my current setup:
AMD FX-53
XP-120 heatsink
MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum Mobo.
1 GB Crucial Ballistix (Slots 1 & 2)
NVidia 6800 GT 256 MB
200 GB SATA SEAGATE HDD (SATA3)
Lite-on Dual Layer (Model# SOHW-1633S BLK)
Ultra X-Connect 500W PSU
I am presently using the onboard sound, and I am able to hear left and right channels of sound when using media player, winamp, etc. I can play both music and dvds.
I'm using the optical output on my mobo, and sending it to my Sony Home Theatre amplifier with an internal 5.1 decoder. No matter what I do, I can't seem to get 5.1 surround sound. I set the MSI Sound effect manager Speaker configuration to 6 Speakers, and I have my CD player transmitting sound via the normal 2 pin cd rom audio cable.
Does anyone know why I cannot get 5.1 surround sound when listening to DVD's??? Do I need to connect the digital output on my DVD burner? If so, where does it connect to the mobo?

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K8N Neo2 Plat power and bios question

I have a K8N Neo2 Plat. I use a UltraProducts 500W xconnect PSU and a BFG 6800 GT OC.
A couple weeks ago the 6800 died. I contacted BFG and they sent me a new one.
The new one died the same way after a week. They said to check the power levels on the +12 rail.
In windows using softare tests it reports 13.58
in the bios it reports 12.22
both are over the allowed variance.
Ultra products told me to check with my motherboard manufacturer to see if there was a BIOS setting that would let me set the power on the +12V rail. Is that possible?
Is that something my K8N Neo2 Plat can do?

No, you cannot lower the 12V-rail by a bios setting. I really don't see what they mean by that.
Your motherboard does, however, regulate the power that comes from the power supply. Within certain margins it can lower the voltage and keep it steady. Your videocard can do the same. Now, depending on the tolerance (quality) of your hardware, you can vary on those margins. But on any piece of hardware, there is a point on which it cannot correct/lower a voltage that is too high. It then simply shuts down or dies.
To my opinion, the PSU-maker gave you a very funny piece of advice. What he actually says is that their psu may give too high a voltage (I talk about the 13+ now), but your hardware should correct this. That's not the way it works: they should make psu's that give 12V where it should. So, I'd demand a replacement. But, before you do: use a multimeter to measure the 12V-rail. You cannot trust the board's measurement too well.
But then, like Stick says, I think that 12.22 is within mentioned margins. 13.58V is too high. So, that's why you should first measure using a multimeter. Measure for a longer time. System idle, system full load. Write everything down and see how steady this psu is. If 12V dances arround, replace it.

K8N Neo2 X2 Processor question

this is prolly a stupid question but I gotta ask...
I'm seeing two processors in my device manager (two devices). Is this normal for dual core processors? I remember a member here posting a similar question w/screenshots but I can't find it anywhere...

it is normal. if you would only see 1 device, it means that the second core is not recognized by the system.

K8N Neo2-F/Athlon 64 question

Hi:
This may not properly belong here, but then again, it may.
Just built a system around the K8N Neo2-F (1.9 bios). The processor is an Athlon64 3200+ (Venice). To the best of my knowledge, this processor has a 2G clock speed; yet when I do any number of benchmarks, it reports as 1G. The exception to this is AMDs own clock speed tool.
Is there a reason this is happening? Perhaps a BIOS setting that I'm unaware of? I know there are some things that I'm not providing here to help people diagnose the problem, but I don't know what those could be. Let me know and I'll give as much data as I can.
Oh, yeah, the multiplier is set to 5x; that's as high as it goes.
Thanks,
Doug

Quote from: kakarocht on 04-October-05, 13:34:30
what are you trying do actually???
Just get some information. I wondered why my processor was being reported as having a 1Ghz speed. It was the Cool'n'quiet. It probably would've reported a higher speed had it been under a heavier load.
Ok, I am trying to make incremental improvements in the speed of the machine. The memory is at 2T by default; I think setting it to 1T could help. But being conservative by nature, I do wonder if I run the risk of destabilizing the computer by doing that.

Few question above the k8n neo2 platinum and raid

hi
i have for now intel 3.4ghz and asus p4c800dlux and 4 sata drives :
2x36giga wd 10000 raptors in raid 0 (connected to the on board promise sata controller)
2x200giga wd 7200 jd sata that (connected to on bard sata ports)
i order a athlon fx-55 and k8n neo2 platinum for a oc (a have 2x512 corsiar pc4000pro and hydro cool 200 ) and its look that its going to be problem
"SATA ports 1+2 will not maintain a lock and you can and will corrupt hard drives placed on these channels if you raise the HTT above 220mhz."
http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=ge...890&articID=228
so im in a problem, if i wont to do nice oc (and i will) i need to leave sata ports 1 and 2 not connected and buy a sata-pci controller for my 2x200giga , im right ?
in that case i need to connect the raptors in raid 0 in the sata 3-4 prots (near the agp) but:
the raid on the noe2 is "NV RAID (Software)" it means that there is no a controller like promise and the cpu need to replace the controller work, so its doing a lower performance.

If you had 4 huge drives I would be more sympathetic. To me every board is a compromise, resulting in me having to abandon something I might have done previoulsy. In you case ditch the two 36gb drives, and slum it with the 200gb drives. Remember that "overclocking" is not a right. There will be many users oblivious of the SATA 1/2 overclocking problems running 4 sata drives in RAID without a problem.

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