K8n neo4-f v 3.0 which sata ports to use

Hi guys,
I will install on my Neo4-F v 3.0, 2 HDs, one is a Raptor 74gb sata I, and one is a Seagate 320gb Sata II. Which of the Sata ports is ideal for which hd? The Raptor will be the system drive (probably better?)
Also suppose I will use a sata dvd burner, and an ide dvd burner - will this influence which sata port should I use for which device?
Thanks for your support,
Jose

It should not make any difference since the Sata ports only have a master position, no slave. Set it to boot from whatever drive you want as a system drive in the bios.

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Introduction
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http://www.techpowerup.com
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