K8N Neo4 initial boot after shutdown lockup problem

First, I would like to thank everyone on this board for helping me solve all but one of the many issues I had getting my system up and running over the past three days, and you didn't even know it! I found many problems similar to mine but I don't believe any exactly like it:
I can shut down my system normally however when I boot up it hangs just prior to the windows initiation screen where you get your mouse curser. I do a cold boot from there and it posts until I get to the screen for a safe restart or normal restart etc., I hit normal restart and it finishes the boot just fine. It does this consistantly, outside of this my system has been rock solid for the past couple days, I built it Wednesday.
Its almost as though it is forcing me to go through the safe restart process even though I had a clean shutdown.
So far with no effect:
I increased my memory voltage to 2.8V, this helpd my old system with post problems and solved one on this board. (RAM running at 2.8 for 10 months with no problems on my old system)
Disconnected the IDE HD drives (I boot to the SATA 1/2 raid)
Changed my boot order all around
Disabled my unused SATA 5/6 (SiS)
Reloaded windows XP with the IDE drives disconnected
Disconnected and removed the printer driver
Anthing else? Ideas?

Antec Trupower 550 2.0, dual 12V rails @ 19 amps, Still had the problem with several drives disconnected. Bummed, I can,t figure it out...I think I will go to a line by line post to see exactly where its hanging. I may have mis-stated, I don't think it clears the SATA raid load on the first try.

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Hey all,
Im new to this forum so forgive me if I do not address my problem to you in the correct fashion.
Im running Windows XP Pro SP2 on a K8N Neo4-FX board with the NVidia Geforce 6600 GT and an AMD 64 3600+.
I have this issue were when I boot for the first time in the day, my computer locks up when trying to load into Windows, it does not load any Icons but you can see the desktop. After a reboot, in an attempt to get into Windows again, it now locks up on the Motherboard bootscreen for a random amount of time, usually atleast 3 minutes. I disabled the boot screen so that it would show me what its trying to load behind the Motherboard boot screen and it gets stuck on trying to load/check the harddrives. Eventually it realises there all there and boots into Windows without issue. It usually requires 2 reboots before you can get into Windows. Now If I Boot up for the first time in the day and leave the computer at the login screen of Windows for about 5 to 8 minutes and then attempt to login and boot Windows, it hass no drama's. Interesting huh? It gets better.
I believe a secondary issue is tied into this as well. Once Windows is booted and I try to watch any type of media, all I get is a blank outline of where the video should be playing, sound working and playing correctly. This effects all media except Movies (.mov) which work on all occasions. No matter how many times you reboot, it does not allow you to watch any media, only hear it. However if you shutdown and boot again all media works without issue.
Now ill give you a minute to soak that in...
My original thought was, "Dodgy install of Windows", so I formatted and reinstalled a COMPLETELY NEW installation, even differant OS(to XP Pro from Home Ed) and I still have the same issues.
This leads me to the conclusion that the Board/Card is faulty. However if any of you experts or any other people can shed any light or similar experiences on this, it would be much appreciated!
Thank you,
If you want anymore info MSG me.
Sadist

Quote from: Sadist on 06-August-06, 23:00:40
Hey all,
Im new to this forum so forgive me if I do not address my problem to you in the correct fashion.
Im running Windows XP Pro SP2 on a K8N Neo4-FX board with the NVidia Geforce 6600 GT and an AMD 64 3600+.
I have this issue were when I boot for the first time in the day, my computer locks up when trying to load into Windows, it does not load any Icons but you can see the desktop. After a reboot, in an attempt to get into Windows again, it now locks up on the Motherboard bootscreen for a random amount of time, usually atleast 3 minutes. I disabled the boot screen so that it would show me what its trying to load behind the Motherboard boot screen and it gets stuck on trying to load/check the harddrives. Eventually it realises there all there and boots into Windows without issue. It usually requires 2 reboots before you can get into Windows. Now If I Boot up for the first time in the day and leave the computer at the login screen of Windows for about 5 to 8 minutes and then attempt to login and boot Windows, it hass no drama's. Interesting huh? It gets better.
I believe a secondary issue is tied into this as well. Once Windows is booted and I try to watch any type of media, all I get is a blank outline of where the video should be playing, sound working and playing correctly. This effects all media except Movies (.mov) which work on all occasions. No matter how many times you reboot, it does not allow you to watch any media, only hear it. However if you shutdown and boot again all media works without issue.
Now ill give you a minute to soak that in...
My original thought was, "Dodgy install of Windows", so I formatted and reinstalled a COMPLETELY NEW installation, even differant OS(to XP Pro from Home Ed) and I still have the same issues.
This leads me to the conclusion that the Board/Card is faulty. However if any of you experts or any other people can shed any light or similar experiences on this, it would be much appreciated!
Thank you,
If you want anymore info MSG me.
Sadist
The problem is most likely with your HardDrives not the MB...

MSI K8N Neo4-F booting issues

Ok, well I'm a n00b and this is only my second build. When I first put everything together, the system started right up and I was able to reboot no problem to upgrade the OS etc. However when I gave it to my parents, it started having some problems booting. Sometimes it boots up right away (if it's been off for a while)...however if you restart it, the fans run, but nothing happens for several minutes. Then all of the sudden it beeps and starts booting like nothing is wrong! So while it's sitting there doing nothing, I checked the D-bracket and it looks like it's sitting on the processor initialization:
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liteon DVD burner - IDE primary master
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I did try reading through the forums first. I'm not sure if I should clear the CMOS or flash the bios. At this point I guess I kind of lack the confidence to make a decision due to lack of experience and the fact that it's not my computer I'm messing with. So guys, can you help a girl out? Any advice is much appreciated

Quote from: bjk1 on 27-March-06, 22:22:19
Hello Jewels,
have a look at this thread: https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=80294.0
Maybe, it's the solution to your problem.
Bye.
Your link to the other thread was enlightening. A couple of things. My father did install a card reader. However, I'm unable to find those particular settings in the bios. My father also has logitech's mx3000 wireless keyboard and mouse hooked up. I unhooked the little reciever it came with and hooked up a standard keyboard and mouse, and what do you know, it boots fine. Which explains why I had no jproblems when I set the computer up initially. I'm sure he's going to want me to find a way to use them though.

K8N Neo4 Plat. boot delay with Canon MP390

Hi everyone!
My problem is the following:
My K8N Neo4 Plat. based computer got a huge delay (5mins!) on POST at boot (right after CPU name listing) when my Canon MP390 multifuntion USB printer is connected. I already know its caused by a conflict between the printer's card reader and the mobo, something maybe related to the mobo trying to boot on the card reader. Could be something else, but for now that's the only explanation i could find.
I red all post here concerning USB boot problems (or delays) and tried everything i could and red without results
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K8N Neo4 Auto Boots

I have uninstalled Digicell, and all Power On options in BIOS are disabled, yet my system continues to auto boot about 3-5 minutes after shutdown. I have no idea where else to look to resolve this....thanks in advance for any help.

Quote from: syar2003 on 24-July-06, 22:39:27
It's the wake on lan properties in the config of network adapter .
Right click the network connection to bring up properties.Press the configure button and then goto the advanced tab.
Unckech all that have "Wake" in it's name
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K8N NEO4 wont boot

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Quote from: Henry on 17-February-12, 13:11:59
"...board is relatively recent."
If you think 7 years as "relatively recent" that is. That's plenty of time for caps in PSU & MB to go bad, especially in PSU and not knowing what the original owner had, bad PSU is a good possibility for damaging MB.
Original was a Corsair 400 apparently.
It depends how you interprete "relatively". All my stuff is older than that so to me it's recent.

K8N Neo4 Plat, SATA2 and Shutdown Problem...

Hi, new here.
Glad to have a board like this to ask some questions to other users.
Purchased the board a few months ago, and apart from the noisy NB fan, all was ok.
Then recently bought a 200GB SATA2 drive (see specs in signature).
Since its installation, but not before, I've had a systematic shutdown and reboot problem: the shutdown proceeds as usual, the "Windows is shutting down" and "Saving preferences" dialogs come and then disapear... but then only the mouse cursor is left on blank screen (it can even be moved), and the shutdown process doesn't go further; after several minutes I just shut it down with the power button.
The event logs don't show anything problematic.
A few more details:
My drivers are the most recent (official) from MSI.
I've installed Win2000 in ACPI Uniprocessor PC Mode.
The drive is recognized as a sata2 device.
I use the SATA#1 (nVidia) port.
I've put the pagefile on that drive.
Nothing is overclocked, CoreCenter is disabled.
I've installed the UPH Clean tool from Microsoft, but that didn't help.
Memory passed lengthy memtest session.
Strangely, the SATA2 drive appears in the "Unplug or Eject Hardware" list in the tray, usually reserved for connectable devices (USB, etc): is that normal? (I'm new to sata drives)
I've searched this board for similar problems, but they seemed to be mostly in RAID context, which isn't the case for my system.
Any idea what might be the problem ? Anyone experienced the same problem (non-RAID) ?
Apart from above problem, drive seems to function normally.
Thanks in advance.

@gerasimatos: maybe he used xsetup? didn't try it yet, will have a look. In the BIOS, all RAID-related settings are disabled.
@kakarocht: the power managment in the BIOS has the default settings.
Will try to change a few params here and there.
I have not tried yet other ports on nVidia controllers.
I may eventually try the Sil ports, in last resorts, BUT I would prefer to solve this issue with nVidia ports first (I think at the price we pay these things we shouldn't be precluded from half the SATA ports! )
I tried to list as much relevant specs as I could in the signature and post. Here are others:
memory used at 2.5-3-3-7 1T setting (memtest passed)
regular ps/2 keyboard
ms intellimouse (using ps/2 connection)
the asus graphic card used in single monitor mode (recent drivers)
when I said "CoreCenter" disabled above, meant "Cool'n'Quiet" disabled (not stressing system yet, so 'cool' isn't an issue; as for quiet, if the board can't lower the NB fan speed, it's a non-issue!!!)
using on-board sound-card
using onboard gigabit port for internet connection
no other peripherals installed presently
hard drives temps stay under 40 C (not stressing system lately)
I removed DigiCell and CoreCenter from loading at startup (don't need them for now)
closing firewall (zonelalarm) before shutdown didn't help (although didn't try unloading the service yet)
... what else might be of help to list?...
Again, I'd like to know if it's normal that a SATA2 hd drive appear in the "Unplug and Eject Hardware" tray icon list; I wasn't expecting that, but I'm new to this kind of connection.

Cant boot after shutdown

Hi
i was trying the unlocked sempron 140 and after i shutdown the pc i wasnt able to boot the next day. this has happened before but now after i try to reset the bios the system still fails to boot. all i get is black screen. and no matter how many times i try to reset the bios i cant get anything on screen at POST.
again i have had this problem before but now resetting bios doesnt seem to help .
so i have to post here and ask any if anyone has any suggestions?
PS. sorry couldnt find better forum to post.
MY System:
Mobo: Msi 770-c45
GPU: saphire radeon 4850
CPU: sempron 140
Bios: latest
PSU: COMPUCASE PSU 550W 12CM ATX12 V2.0

Quote from: Henry on 04-March-10, 06:39:57
Please provide information for all components, not just some. You do not say what RAM you have among other things.
>> Posting Guide <<
Ok here's new updated list:
Mobo: Msi 770-C45
GPU: sapphire radeon 4850 512 mb
CPU: Athlon II X4 630/AM3 2.80GHz 2MB-L2 95W
PSU: ANTEC PSU 650W 12CM ATX12V2.2 80+
RAM: 1GB 1333MHZ DDR3 NON-ECC CL9 DIMM x 4
Other devices: 3 x HDs , 1 CD-Rom
OS: win xp home
Bios: latest

Immediate boot after shutdown on 845pe max2

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What could this be? I already removed all unnecessary cards, network connection, modem, second HDU, unplugged all USB devices. Turned off APM in the BIOS setting. Changed to an older type keyboard and mouse. Still same problem. All lastest drivers installed, lates BIOS (AMI 1.2) installed. All Xp service packs extra patches are installed.
Any suggestions? Switchg from S3 to S1 mode in ACPI standbystate doesnt make any difference. Turning off ACPI is a bad idea, as the machine wont boot XP anymore.
Pressing the on/off button the machine shuts down as expected and doesnt turn itself on anymore. Where can i find more info on the S1, S3 modes etc?

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Quote
Originally posted by Assaf
I have found many cases where MSI boards and Aopen PSU's misbehave together.
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No word from them yet, other than the official statement.
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Equium A300D-16C. not booting after shutdown.

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Message was edited by: Tobyjoe_2

Thanks. There is nothing displayed on the screen. it does not seem to boot into anything, as the powere goes off immediately when the power button is pressed. I have tried to change the ram modules, but still the same problem. i dont know what kind of hardware failure could cause this as it was working fine untill the shutdown. Thanks for the concern.

K8N Neo4 Platinum boots only with CMOS reset

This is my first build (and perhaps my last). The system ran without error for two weeks but the BIOS recognized only 2.88 GB rather than the 4 GB which are in the DIMM slots. I removed the power cord, put on an anti-static strap and reseated two of the 1 GB sticks. Since that time it will not boot without a CMOS reset. (But the BIOS recognizes 3.9 GB on most of my boots. On my last one, it was back to 2.88 GB).
Here's my booting process:
Remove power cord and switch PSU off.
Put on wrist strap and depress CMOS reset button on board for ten seconds.
Insert power cord and switch PSU on.
At this point the system boots normally without my depressing the normal power switch at the front of the case! And it runs without error once it boots.
I can reboot the system from the operating system without problems. When I shutdown (power off), depressing the normal power switch has no effect and I have to boot with the CMOS reset process above.
Memtest86 shows no memory errors. A similar thread with Neo2's suggested setting ht = 4x but that didn't help in my case. I also let the BIOS load optimized defaults but that didn't fix things either. I'm open to whatever suggestions you can make! (If my signature with my system configuration doesn't appear, I'll post it in a followup.)

Quote from: blazing storm on 03-June-05, 05:52:21
Looks like a Memory/Motherboard problem but I've never heard of it before or a low powered power supply could stop it recognising the 4GB so may be worth borrowing a more powerful one to test and see.. all out of ideas on this now
You were right. I borrowed a Rosewill RE501-BLK 3.3v@28a, 5v@30a, 12v@34a, 500W and now I don't have to reset the CMOS to boot! The case power switch still doesn't work--I have to turn off the PSU and turn it on again to boot--but others in this thread have suggested improper wiring of the switch which I'll check out. But I certainly can live with this since the PSU power switch is at least external to the case (as opposed to the CMOS reset switch). Now I'll go to the PSU thread to pick out a new PSU.
The BIOS on repeated boots recognizes the memory as about 3.7 GB (and Linux at about 3.4 GB, but I suppose that there are "good" reasons that OS's give a different number than BIOS's) and I can live with that, also, since, in an earlier post in this thread, I quoted MSI's "warning" that I could only expect 3+ GB to be recognized by the BIOS if I filled all 4 DIMMs with 1 GB sticks. But I think my 1.52beta MS-7125 BIOS also contributed to this increase. (My v. 1.3 BIOS recognized only 2.88 GB.)
I'm happy and thank all who contributed suggestions to this thread. Now I need to configure the software, a task that I know at least something about.

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I have a Power Mac G4 MDD (1.25Ghz) that is having issues when it is shut down. The power button on the front of the machine does not start the computer every time. Sometimes it works, sometimes I need to wait a while before it will work. When the button is pressed, it does not light up or anything.
I have noticed that if I sleep the computer it always seems to wakeup when the front button is pressed. But if I shut down the G4, is does not always bootup.
I have also performed multiple restarts when performing software updates, and they always seemed to work fine.
I have changed the Saft battery inside - it was at about .4v
I have performed a CUDA/PMU reset using the button on the motherboard, and followed the Apple procedure. (disconnect power, and accesories, press reset button, wait 10 seconds, reconnect, restart) It did not restart right away, had to wait 20 minutes or so.
The G4 has a new installation of Tiger, with all of the updates.
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With the "sometimes" nature of the problem, it could be the front panel board, a much cheaper replacement than a PSU. An Apple tech told me that one way to test the front panel board was to find one of the first Apple USB keyboards for the original iMac. The early ones have a power button like the old ADB boards that overrides the internal board/button. He said that, should the Mac start reliably from the old keyboard, then there is trouble with the front panel board. The Apple model number for the USB board with power button is M2452.
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http://jcsenterprises.com/Japamacs_Page/Blog/D275729F-09DA-4FBB-96B3-BEEEB2C0461 9.html
You'll need a multimeter to check the voltage levels.

K8N Neo4 Platinum - Is It Dead? ***PROBLEM SOLVED***

I recently upgraded my system and moved most of the old components into a different case, including the K8N, CPU, memory and PSU. The only thing that is changing is the hard drive. When I power on the computer the D-Bracket indicates it is hanging at memory initialization. I have OCZ PC3200 platinum edition 2gb dual channel kit installed. I tried to boot with one stick installed in each slot and it still hangs at the same place. I fear I shorted or damaged the MB somehow... Any ideas?
Thanks,
Kurt

Quote from: Markoul on 09-April-09, 23:13:09
I know it sounds grazy... but unplug computer from wall socket for 10 seconds (cut power completely)
and try again.
You thank me later...
I wish it were true...no dice.

K8N Neo4 initial boot after shutdown lockup problem

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