K8N Neo4 Plat and 3500+ venice?

I have searched this but am more confused now than before. I am thinking of upgrading to the 3500+ venice with a K8N Neo4 Plat or sli is this a good combo.Tiger Direct has the Plat. and the SLI for the same price $149. Does this cpu work better with one or the other board?

i have the sli/plat and the 3500+ venice and it seems to work well with the 3.4 bios dont know about the plat but its basically the same. just my input

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Max stable CPU voltage supported by K8n Neo4 Plat.?

My vcore voltage fluctuates between 1.44v and 1.50v. In the bios I have 1.42+6.6%(see my sig). I have ran prime 95 for 24h stable, but recently I tried OCCT(a french program). The first test ran for 30min OK, the torture test froze my computer within an hour or two. My question is what is Max stable CPU voltage supported by K8n Neo4 Plat.?Because obviously when the mobo drops it to 1.44 it IS NOT ENOUGH. Difference of .06v obviously is critical for the stability. Anyway it should be 1.425+6.6%=1.519 which is nowhere near 1.44. I currently run at 36-38C idle and 45C under load. Is it a bios problem? I use 1.6 bios and I don't have any problems whatsoever.
Any opinions appreciated.
BTW tried to raise the mobo voltage at 1.55(1.50 default) but seems that there is no difference.
BIOS shows my voltages as follows:
+3.3v=3.12 to 3.15 mostly stays at 3.14 pc wizard shows 3.14, core center shows 3.22
+5.5v=4.96 to 4.99
+12v =11.96 to 12.22 core center shows 11.96, pc wizard shows 12.22

Quote from: gerasimatos on 30-September-05, 09:17:54
dont blame MSI for your financial situations. If you could afford the proper hardware then you wouldnt need to overclock and such. JMO.
I can afford the proper hardware. In fact, I bought a DFI Lanparty nF4 SLI DR to replace the defective K8N Neo4 SLI board.
As soon as the new K8N board comes back from RMA, I figure to sell it - say half off. I think for something that may or may not work as advertised, half price is fair.
And speaking of processors, these Venice chips are really phenomenal - they're just like (or maybe even better than) the good old XP1700 JIUHB chips. I still have one of those - and strangely enough, it's still running - in an MSI K7T Turbo 2 board (KT133A). That JIUHB served me well - it'd do a 500MHz overclock with no strain at all. If I had water cooling, I bet I coulda got 1 GHz out of it.
The two Venice 3200 processors I have both seem to be really good overclockers. The one that was in the rig I RMA'd is the best - right now in the new Lanparty board, I've got it running at 2.5 GHz (1:1 @ 250 MHz) with about 1.55 volts. It's idling at about 30c and only runs at about 44c under load - and the AS5 hasn't even cured yet!
That chip is gonna be one helluva overclocker!
I'll let it run at 2.5 GHz for another week or so till the AS5 has cured, then I'll see just how far I can go (without the temps getting too high). The way it's gone from this point, I think 2.7 GHz is very reasonable for a goal.
And as I think newbie222 pointed out, as long as the temps are kept reasonable, there is no actual risk to the processor.
The point I was making is that with my old, defective K8N, that would not have been possible - BECAUSE THE BOARD WAS DEFECTIVE. It was defective because the vcore did not operate up to spec (wouldn't go as high as it was advertised to) and because of the voltage fluctuations.
How would you feel if you bought a new car that was advertised as getting 24 MPG highway and it only got 17 MPG? Or if you ordered Comcast's 8 Mb/s downstream Gold Tier and only got 6 Mb/s downstream? Or if you ordered a 102 channel cable package that turned out to only have 88 channels?
It's all the same exact, precise thing.
If MSI advertises you can get a vcore of 1.7> volts then you fer damned sure better be able to get it.
The main reason people buy boards like the K8N is to overclock - it's the "enthusiast" community that the board is targeted to.
I find it hard to believe anyone would even want to buy one of these boards and not overclock. What's the point? If all someone wants is something that will run at stock speeds, then they oughta save a few bucks and buy a Dell or whatever.

K8N Neo4 Plat (non sli) Device manager error !

guys:
need some help. as stated,, have just received a k8n neo4 plat (non sli). just installed win xp pro (many thanx to people on forum for good tips on coming up clean). i have 1 problem, i have 1 item in device manager banged out (!), its a "PCI Memory Controller. i have nothing on mobo cept 1 6600 gt video card, 1 stick mushkin 3200 dram, i maxtor 200gb sata hard drive. searched on msi's site for this driver and can't find it. any ideas on what i'm missing?? sorry for not having rest of sys specs in sig but just got this puter up and running and i would like to get this driver installed before i pack it in for night. thanx for any help on this one.

igmox:
thanx!!! standalone drivers did the trick. when i was puttin this puter together i downloaded the standalone drivers and extracted them onto a cd. when i booted, anything in device mangler that was banged out, i updated the drivers via the cd. this time i downloaded the standalone drivers, ran the exe (unchecked the ide drivers, since i'm gonna try and run 6 dvd burners) and viola,, driver found.

K8N NEO4 Plat - setup

this is my new build -
K8N NEO4 Plat Motherboard
2 x 512 Mushkin redline Dual Channel DDR400 modules
AMD Athlon 64 3700 San Diego Core
Antec True Power 2.0 550W PSU
2 x 6600GT BFG SLI-Cards
2 x Hitachi 80GB SATA II drives in a RAID 0
and other various items that need not be listed.....................
Anyways, i have the RAM running at 2/3/2 latencies at 2.85 Volts and I am looking to get more UMPH! out of it but Mushkin says i need more voltage. Is there a way of upping the voltage on this mobo? My previous mobo, a DFI board had an insane amount of voltage available but the board itself was a PAIN IN THE REAR! so it has been replaced, thankfully. Anyways, is there a revised BIOS that provides more volatage and isnt flakey? I would rpefer something that is not a BETA version, BETA=PROBLEMS. has anyone compiled a custom BIOS by making some revisions to an exisiting tested BIOS?

Well, I don't think there is, I've been reading about this, since I'm getting one of these Mobo's...
Either go for the beta bios or mod the official bios to allow the same amount of Vdimm as the beta, and flash with that...or google for some of Tictac's, Oscar_Wu's, etc modded BIOS'.
Maybe you can contact one of those guys over @ XtremeSystems.org and they may be able to hook you up.
BTW: The OCZ DDR Booster does NOT work with the Neo4 series.

K8N Neo4 Plat (MS-7125) v.1.D user manual/settings?

Since I flashed my PCB 1.0 K8N Neo4 Plat to BIOS 1.D a couple of years ago I've been sort've just winging it with the many increased settings that 1.D added. I know all of the basics like clock and DRAM settings but the rest I'm clueless about. Is there any official or unofficial post or document out there that explains these settings and what their optimal values should be?
TIA!

Max OC was 3203 but for everyday I had it at 3080 for a couple of months and then I got some different RAM and had some problems with it and have it backed down to 2640 (240x11), HT link is at x3 (720) but would be okay at x4 which would put HT at 960 for the OC I have now and I went back to my old RAM. I haven't yet worked it back up to OC I had before. Neo 4-F & Plat. PCB 1.0 seem to OC better than other versions of K8N which seem to max out at about 2700.
Keep HT link below 1000, if you OC it enough that it goes over drop it to the next lower setting. Your 2500 clock is no problem at stock voltage and you would need to OC quite a bit higher for any need to raise voltage. Lets see what setting you have questions about before I go too far here.

K8N Neo4 Plat. boot delay with Canon MP390

Hi everyone!
My problem is the following:
My K8N Neo4 Plat. based computer got a huge delay (5mins!) on POST at boot (right after CPU name listing) when my Canon MP390 multifuntion USB printer is connected. I already know its caused by a conflict between the printer's card reader and the mobo, something maybe related to the mobo trying to boot on the card reader. Could be something else, but for now that's the only explanation i could find.
I red all post here concerning USB boot problems (or delays) and tried everything i could and red without results
Things that have been done (and much more!) :
- Flashed to latest v1.5 BIOS
- Disabled booting to other devices in BIOS leaving only floppy, cdrom and HD as bootable devices
- Disabled support for USB KB/storage devices in BIOS
- Unplugged Mitsumi floppy/cardreader combo drive (USB internal)
- Unplugged front panel USB and D-Bracket2
- 2 days of various tests with other computers, printers, psu, USB devices I had in store
I'm about to give up on this one! .. Anyone got ideas other than buying a new multifuntion printer? Could it be a defective mobo?
Thanks!
Rivendell
Computer specs are:
Athlon64 4000+, MSI K8N Neo4 Plat.
2x512MB PC3200 (OCZ 1GB KIT PN: OCZ4001024PDC-K)
Sapphire X850XT PCI-E 256MB, WD Raptor 74GB SATA
Thermaltake Silent Power 480w PSU, NEC 16X DVD-+RW
Mitsumi floppy/cardreader combo drive (unplugged for testing purpose)

It might be related with BIOS. The BIOS 1.65 seems to resolve the quick boot issue. You can get it from MSI to try it.

K8N Neo4 Plat: Choosing new PSU & Want Your 2 cents B/T my Choices! :)

Read the PSU sticky and have nailed down my choices to a few, which I'd like your opinions on, if anyone thinks one looks better over the other. Here's the rig:
K8N Neo4 Plat
AMD Athlon 64 FX
2GB RAM (XP Home)
(3) 160GB SATA II drives, non-RAID
7950 GT Fanless (no SLI needed)
Plextor 716-A DVDR
Floppy
SB Live! Drive
Xion 600w (+3v 35a / +5v 53a / +12v1 22a / +12v2 22a / +5vbs 3a)
Xion has been a good PSU but is sounding tired at boot until it warms, and frankly, it's only been 2 yrs or so since I got it. After reading the PSU sticky, I narrowed it down to these three:
Silverstone 600w dual rail: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817163109
Corsair 550w single rail: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139004
OCZ 550w dual rail: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341022
A couple of these happen to be modular, and I saw the sticky recommended against them due to poor connections, etc. Is this still a general consensus? I won't be in and out of the rig anymore.... I built it a few years ago and use my laptop more, actually. It's become a second computer, so frankly I'm not too worried about connections coming loose. If I shove em in good once and leave it, I imagine it will be alright. But neither do I care if it is modular.... just looking for which one looks like it would serve the rig better. All opinions are welcome! Thanks!

Thanks Frankenputer and Henry, I was just coming back to add the P&C Silencer 610: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817703005 as a possible choice, and saw you suggested it! That beefy rail looks good and it's advertised as being particularly silent which is very important to me. (One of the reasons I find myself using my laptop more is because it's so quiet.) I won't be adding to the desktop rig anytime soon... it's serving my purposes as is. And though I agree I could probably get by with the 450VX, for 10 bucks more, I might as well get the 550W for a little more peace of mind.
So between the Cosair 550W and the P&C 610W, which do you think would be quieter? I'm concerned that the P&C only has an 80mm fan and although they make a big deal about their "silent technology" it doesn't say anything about the fan having ball bearings. The Cosair has a nice large 120mm fan, (larger fans can spin slower [making less noise] while moving more air), which is what I am used to in a PSU, and it is a double ball bearing fan, so it should be pretty darn quiet. If either PSU would serve the rig just as well, then silence is the next most important factor to me, even more than warranty. I'd just as soon replace a quieter PSU more often, than have a noisier one that lasts forever.

SATA hard drive problems with k8n neo4 plat

Helo , I am hoping someone can help me with this. I have read Fafner's thread on installing a sata hard drive on the neo4 mb but the only utility program I found on wd site is called " lifeguard11 for windows". Is this the right utility to use to partion my hard drive? I burned it to a cd and and my computer will post but will not boot from that cd. I have followed the instructions that came with the mb and used the floppys at F6 but it won't countinue to install windows after that.
Also I'm not sure how to enable sata in the bios. Do I go to integrated peripherals/sata devices config. and at the top of the screen it say's RAID Enable. Do I enable that and then enable sata1 raid? I am only using one hard drive. Thanks for help you can give.
k8n neo4 plat/bios v6.00 pg
amd 3800+
western digital 74GD Raptor
evga 6600gt
light-on cdr
floppy drive
ocz modstream 520 p/s
highspeedpc test bench

Quote from: roller on 27-March-06, 08:33:35
Helo , I am hoping someone can help me with this. I have read Fafner's thread on installing a sata hard drive on the neo4 mb but the only utility program I found on wd site is called " lifeguard11 for windows". Is this the right utility to use to partion my hard drive? I burned it to a cd and and my computer will post but will not boot from that cd. I have followed the instructions that came with the mb and used the floppys at F6 but it won't countinue to install windows after that.
Also I'm not sure how to enable sata in the bios. Do I go to integrated peripherals/sata devices config. and at the top of the screen it say's RAID Enable. Do I enable that and then enable sata1 raid? I am only using one hard drive. Thanks for help you can give.
k8n neo4 plat/bios v6.00 pg
amd 3800+
western digital 74GD Raptor
evga 6600gt
light-on cdr
floppy drive
ocz modstream 520 p/s
highspeedpc test bench
My system is similar to yours, if your just using the one Raptor you don't need any special drivers, your mother board will detect the Raptor with out any special settings. I hooked my Raptor up to SATA 1 (look on pg 2-2 of your book for the location) If your only planing on installing one operating system on your hard drive, such as windows XP pro, Windows will format and partition the drive for you.
If your having problems booting from a CD make sure you change the boot order in the BIOS (under advanced bios features pg. 3-8 of your manual) so that CD is before HD. For example, mine is set up for: First boot device = Floppy drive, Second boot device = CD Rom, Third boot device = hard drive, and etcetera. if your using more than one hard drive such as an IDE drive make sure you set the "hard disk boot priority" on the same page to the hard drive you want to boot from.
Once that is done put your Windows CD in the CD drive and reboot, Windows will guide you through the rest.

Anyone paired up a MSI K8N Neo4 mobo and a thermaltake soprano w/PSU

hello,
im pretty new here, im about to build a new computer, im getting a MSI K8N NEO4-F, and the case im getting is a thermaltake soprano w a thermaltake PSU, some ppl are telling me that the PSU only has a 20-pin power connector, will that work in the K8N neo4-f mobo ?
any help would be appreciated
thanks

i didnt mess with the door alarm thing lol didnt want to waste my time. I just use my aspire 520 watt the amps are in my profile its only a 20 pin but it kicks a$$, Strong amps and great cooling. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817148008 its a little longer so when installing and removing psu just unscrew the four little screws for the top USB

Msi k8n neo plat and microsoft ie

getting my msi k8n neo plat board running satisfactory , except for one problem . when i got to amdmb.com, i start surfing the site, and after a minute or 2, i get a microsoft ie error, send the error report to microsoft, and then ie closes. what is the problem , is it with amdmb.com site? its the only site that this problem with ie is present, all other sites i don,t have this problem

just tryed using the browser firefox, and it works great. its just ie that doesn,t work on amd.mb, and only that site. wierd problem, never experienced anything like it before. had run a short memtest , no errors. the 6800gt , msi k8n neo plat and amd 64 3400 work great. get some super madonion benchmarks-all default-1024 x 768 32bit- 22,755. i was hoping for 22,000, but exceeded my expectations. can get into the 23,000 + with overclocking the 6800gt, have had it overclocked at gpu-412, memory 1.12. not sure how much more you can increase the numbers, thinking my gpu is close to the limit at 412.had a problem with windvd, it ended up being a configuration in windvd- had to enable hardware acceleration , bingo- worked great after that. got my corsair xms pc 3200 to work at 6-3-3-2 timings. still getting to know the board, there is definately a learning curve to be delt with on this board, but i am getting it to work better by the day.

New K8N NEO2 PLAT. and SC-939 3200+ help needed...

Hello,
I have just upgraded my system with K8N Neo2 Plat. and sc-939 3200+ A64 Cpu.
There are several issues I need to resolve which are:
1- Although I change from BIOS the settings for AGP to 4x8x and enable fast writes, I still cant see them turned on from the Catalyst Control Center. Everything is greyed out what can I do? They all used to be on and agp was 8x with my K7N2 Delta board....
2- Although I installed the original drivers from the MSI CD, I couldn't get one of the network prts to install. Realtek installed OK. But other one is defined by the device manager as standart network adapter. What can I do?
3- I am brand new to A64 system so I do not know what setting to use from BIOS can you help me out, for instance there are values for HT such as x3 x4 x5 mine is set to x5? what is this? should I enable cool and quiet, I am not intended to do overclocking. Can you give me some tips for best performance?
My best regards.

Make sure your bios is up to date: version 1.5. Look at the sticky threads and use the information to enable hidden bios features. Disable ATI/NV speedup in the bios. Uninstall your drivers and reinstall. If the information is still greyed out, download the free version of Sandra here: http://downloads.guru3d.com/ and check the module under video system information. This will tell you if fast writes are enabled and your AGP setting. Leave the HT(hyper-transport) set to 5X unless you plan on oc'ing, if you do oc then may find you'll need to reduce it to 4X or 3X. Try downloading the latest driver for your network from the MSI website. Right click the device in device manager and select update, select specific location then "don't look...I'll choose", direct it to the file where you've unpacked the correct driver and then update.

MOVED: MSI K8N NEO4-F And PC4200 DDR2

This topic has been moved to AMD64 nVidia Based board.
MSI K8N NEO4-F And PC4200 DDR2

As far as I know, ddr2 will not be supported by AMD until next year - so we can all upgrade again! You have to go with ddr if you want them to work with mobos designed for AMD chips. Just my 2 cents.

K8N neo4 plat northbridge fan

The fan on my northbridge(K8N neo4 plat ultra) has died on me. Is there a replacement that is orderable? or am I looking at replacing the mobo?

I had one of these laying around & mounted it to my Neo4 as soon as I took it out of the box - Because I heard plenty of bad things about the stock fan.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835110103
Very quiet, cools great (never exceeds 32C) & fits perfectly.
You can see a pic of it mounted here - https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=93129.360
Just scroll down that page until you see some system pics

K8n neo4 noise and random thought

Hello, in order to replace my old PIII, i just bought a k8N neo4 platinium and and athlon3000+.
Well, first i deseperatly tried to get the cpu scaling to work , but only to discover than in fact the cpu seems to only be able to switch between 2 speed (1Ghz and 1.8Ghz), and once i had it working unfortunatly this didn t helped to reduce the noise (meaning than cool and quiet thingy doesn t really help for noise).
So i used the temp target in the bios and set it to 60° (using 50° didn t helped a lot) an now effectively while cpu core is still at 40° (or so i guess) the cpu fan jumped from 4500 to 2000 rpm, which is a lot less. Also, i fell like cpu fan speed never decrease, like it goes faster if there's more heat, but then never go slower.
Also, to me it seems than all the temps reported in userspace are just plain wrong, the fan ones seems ok, but not the temp, i think i need to change some offeset and multiplier to get the good values, but i have no idee how to get them.
I know everyone complained about this, but the northbridge fan is really really noisy so does anyone think than MSI will one day release a bios update that will automagicaly change the speed of that fan depending on temp _without_ us needing to void the guarranty with some soldering.
Also is there some quiet fans for the cpu that i could use to replace the one furnished by amd without using the hairdryer to remove that glued thing on the mobo ?
A little detail, i am running linux, had to go to worlplace to create the flashing bios floppy so that i could get the cool and quiet thingy to work. Also i did not finished to set up everything and i doubt i will even try to get both sata controllers to work, but at this moment everything on the mobo seems to "approximatively work".
"device eth0 entered promiscuous mode" that sounds like a problem on the mobo, also loading sensors seems to screw up the pictures from my tvcard.
Is there something "interesting" i can plugg on that last pci slot at the bottom or is that the only way msi found to get us to buy their third party stuff ?
Also i still got my sound blaster live 5.1, and i am still not persuaded that the nforce sound is better.
Yet again some strange thing is than i plugged eatch of my drives on a separate ata controller, they are alone on the cable, the cable is a 80pin one and still at boot the mobo complain that cables are not 80pin.

Thanks for the pointer about the power supply. I've updated my sig with the type of power supply and the voltages. Unfortunately, the powersupply has no label on it, probably because the Antec Overture II case takes a nonstandard style power supply (it's in the front of the case, has in and out on the same side, and vents out the bottom). However, it claims that it is a smartpower 450W power supply, so I'm guessing it's the same as the regular Antec SmartPower 450W, which has the following specs:
[table=]
,+3.3V,+5V,+12V1,+12V2,+5V SB,-12V
Max. Load,    32.0A*,    30A*,    15A*,    17A,    2.0A,    0.3A
Min. Load,    0.5A,    0.5A,    0.4A,    0.4A,    0A,    0A
Load Reg.,    ±5%,    ±5%,    ±5%,    ±5%,    ±5%,    ±5%
Ripple V(p-p),    50mV,    50mV,    120mV,    120mV,    50mV,    120mV[/table]
Although I'm not a real newbie, this is a level of tweaking that I'm not familiar with. I'm guessing I should try removing the board from the case and hooking it up to a different power supply?

Problems with K8N Neo4-F and eVGA 6600GT

Alright, I just built a new PC after my last computer died. The specs:
MSI K8n Neo4-F
Athlon 64 3200+ (Venice)
1 GB Corsair PC3200 RAM
eVGA GeForce 6600GT (PCI-Express
Antec TruePower 550W PSU
Now, when I turn on the computer it seems to boot up okay, except for the fact that, well, I get no video. However, when I hit delete to enter the BIOS, I do get a picture on the screen - but it's horribly scrambled and I can't make out anything whatsoever. I can tell that it's properly going into BIOS because I can vaguely see the selection bar which moves when I press up/down, but I can't do a thing besides that. I have no realy clue what the problem is, especially since I can't even do a thing yet. I checked to make sure the card and power connectors and everything are properly seated... Could having a 20-pin connector in a 24-pin mobo make it do this? Or is it something far more sinister, like a dead video card?

Bought another PCI-e video card and still doesn't work. Guess the motherboard is bad. Ordered an Asus this time. Disappointed with the lack of help from MSI in troubleshooting/solving the problem. I had to buy a regular PCI video card and two new PCI-e video cards just to see were the problem might be; swap-tronics troubleshooting on my dollar($), that sucks...

K8N Neo4 Plat and 3500+ venice?

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