K8n platinum NVIDIA RAID IDE ROM BIOS Hang SOLVED

amd 64 3500+
msi k8n plat SLI
NV 7800 gtx
2gb corsair xms3200 (2x512 1x 1024)
500W PSU
40GB IDE maxtor (windows install)
System hangs on the NVidia raid ide bios screen, doesnt matter if i disable raid or not, system just wont get past this screen. There is a flickering cursor as if the system is trying, but its got no further after 30 mins.
ideas please? any more info you need?
thanks,
Dan

Quote from: dandut on 23-July-05, 07:50:41
If i disable raid, i still get the NV IDE BIOS screen, it just shows a message other than 'detecting array' with a flashing cursor and does exacly the same thing. It just wont get to the next stage.
I havent tried flashing the bios yet as my floppy seems to be dead. Could that help? Im not entirely sure if its the raid screen causing the problem anyway, it could be whatever is supposed to happen next, that just isnt.
p.s. Clearing cmos didnt help.
[/quoteTry flipping the cable over on your floppy drive.

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P67A-GD55 Rev B3, When a new bios including Intel Raid Oprtion Rom 10.6.0.1091 ?
Hello,
I am the owner of a MSI motherboard P67A-GD55 (Rev B3).
The operating system Windows 7 Pro 64 bit is installed on a disk in AHCI OCZ Vertex 3120 Go SATA0 mounted on the port (version 3).
I get many bugs and blue screens.
This would be resolved with the latest driver Intel Rapid Storage Technology 10.6.0.1022.
It must been associated with a bios with the Intel RAID Option ROM 10.6.0.1091.
The latest bios for my motherboard is 1.E (or 1.14) version which includes Intel RAID Option ROM 10.5.0.1034.
Are there plans to release a new bios with the new ROM?
If not, is there a way to include the last Intel Option Rom in the bios 1.E?
Thank you in advance for your reply.
SM

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I get many bugs and blue screens.
This would be resolved with the latest driver Intel Rapid Storage Technology 10.6.0.1022.
It must been associated with a bios with the Intel RAID Option ROM 10.6.0.1091.
What bugs and blue screens?
If this was a major issue as such, then everyone would be complaining about this.
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